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  • Bmore
    The True Free-Man
    • Oct 2008
    • 6256

    #31
    Why no Ben Henderson?


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    • Kuzzy Powers
      Beautiful Like Moses
      • Oct 2008
      • 12542

      #32
      Originally posted by Bmore
      Why no Ben Henderson?
      Yeah, I just noticed this. I am disappoint @ no Ben Hen.

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      • SHOGUN
        4 WR 1 RB 0 TE. 24/7/365.
        • Jul 2009
        • 11416

        #33
        Originally posted by Bmore
        Why no Ben Henderson?
        Strength of schedule. Going back to May 9th when Henderson was last ranked, Evan Dunham has beaten Tyson Griffin and should have gotten the decision over Sherk. George Sotiropoulos, who already had a strong win over Joe Stevenson, beat Kurt Pellegrino. I felt that both of those wins were a bit stronger than Henderson's wins over Cerrone and Varner.

        BTW, I feel that 1-8 are the only 'concrete' guys at lightwight. 9-16 is where things gets fluid and all it takes a solid win or two at the right time.

         
        "Sometimes I just want to be with my family and watch movie and eat some popcorn. But when I step on the mat I know there is no other place I'd rather be." - Marcelo Garcia

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        • EmpireWF
          Giants in the Super Bowl
          • Mar 2009
          • 24082

          #34
          Dunham did lose though.


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          • Bmore
            The True Free-Man
            • Oct 2008
            • 6256

            #35
            Originally posted by SHOGUN
            Strength of schedule. Going back to May 9th when Henderson was last ranked, Evan Dunham has beaten Tyson Griffin and should have gotten the decision over Sherk. George Sotiropoulos, who already had a strong win over Joe Stevenson, beat Kurt Pellegrino. I felt that both of those wins were a bit stronger than Henderson's wins over Cerrone and Varner.

            BTW, I feel that 1-8 are the only 'concrete' guys at lightwight. 9-16 is where things gets fluid and all it takes a solid win or two at the right time.
            So what you are saying is when Henderson comes in and smashes Maynard/Edgar for the title... He will be #1?


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            • SHOGUN
              4 WR 1 RB 0 TE. 24/7/365.
              • Jul 2009
              • 11416

              #36
              Originally posted by Bmore
              So what you are saying is when Henderson comes in and smashes Maynard/Edgar for the title... He will be #1?


              He has to get by Pettis first.

               
              "Sometimes I just want to be with my family and watch movie and eat some popcorn. But when I step on the mat I know there is no other place I'd rather be." - Marcelo Garcia

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              • Liquidrob
                Izzy is a bum
                • Feb 2009
                • 11785

                #37
                Benson fights for a division in a show that is considered 2nd rate by Zuffa, why would he be ranked in the top 10 a head of the worst LW in the UFC?
                Liquidrob's Top 10 Fighters Rankings


                The 10 Fighters Who Changed The Game

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                • EmpireWF
                  Giants in the Super Bowl
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 24082

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Liquidrob
                  Benson fights for a division in a show that is considered 2nd rate by Zuffa, why would he be ranked in the top 10 a head of the worst LW in the UFC?
                  You're the only one considering it second rate.


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                  • Kuzzy Powers
                    Beautiful Like Moses
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 12542

                    #39
                    Originally posted by EmpireWF
                    You're the only one considering it second rate.
                    :obama:

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                    • Liquidrob
                      Izzy is a bum
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 11785

                      #40
                      empire, you have fallen off lately
                      Liquidrob's Top 10 Fighters Rankings


                      The 10 Fighters Who Changed The Game

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                      • CrimsonGhost56
                        True Blue
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 5981

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Liquidrob
                        Benson fights for a division in a show that is considered 2nd rate by Zuffa, why would he be ranked in the top 10 a head of the worst LW in the UFC?
                        agreed but will that be the case after the merger?

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                        • EmpireWF
                          Giants in the Super Bowl
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 24082

                          #42
                          In that case rob, wouldn't the Strikeforce and Japan lightweights be considered second rate as well?


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                          • calgaryballer
                            Tiote!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4620

                            #43
                            Originally posted by EmpireWF
                            In that case rob, wouldn't the Strikeforce and Japan lightweights be considered second rate as well?
                            The UFC owns the WEC. If they really though Ben Henderson could be a player in the UFC, wouldn't he be there already? Instead of wasting space on guys like Paul Taylor?

                            SF and Japan guys have contracts in their own right.

                            It'd be like asking why Brian Stann wasn't on a Top 10 list when he was WEC LHW champ

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                            • EmpireWF
                              Giants in the Super Bowl
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 24082

                              #44
                              Originally posted by calgaryballer
                              The UFC owns the WEC. If they really though Ben Henderson could be a player in the UFC, wouldn't he be there already? Instead of wasting space on guys like Paul Taylor?

                              SF and Japan guys have contracts in their own right.

                              It'd be like asking why Brian Stann wasn't on a Top 10 list when he was WEC LHW champ
                              Well, nobody thought Stann was good.

                              Henderson has impressed in his tenure in WEC. You're telling me Aussie George's record is better than Hendos? George's big wins are against Joe Daddy and Pelegrino (both decisions btw). Hendo has submitted both Cowboy Cerrone and Varner and knocked out Shane Roller.

                              Obviously there is an issue as far as fighting top 10 talent since he is the only WEC 155er considered top 10 material.

                              Dunhams big wins are Escudero (not even close to top ten) and Griffin (not top ten at the time) and he lost to Sherk (not top ten at the time).

                              And Jim Miller should get some consideration, too. I know it's only top 10 and Miller may be more of a 10-15 guy but he has done nothing but win...unless he's being grounded by Maynard and Edgar.

                              I'm not saying it's a crime like some on the net do when Fedor isn't ranked top 2....but there is a damn good argument.


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                              • calgaryballer
                                Tiote!
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 4620

                                #45
                                I think it's some flawed logic. Benson is an exciting fighter who is well spoken and you'd think would be an easy sell. Jamie Varner was in the UFC and lost to Hermes Franca and beat a chump. Cerrone is 3-3 in his last 6 fights. I'd favour Sotiropolous, Stevenson and Pelegrino over both of those guys

                                Benson is a product of his competition. I just don't see a reason why, if Dana and co thought that Benson could actually compete in the UFC, they left him wallowing in the WEC for so long

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