Best in the Game: Centres

[Fappin Raptor]

You'd take Jeff Schultz(+50) over Tomas Kaberle(-16). Deceiving stat.

I'm talking about forwards here. Of course Schultz had a +50 playing with Ovechkin (+45) ahead of him.

[Fappin Raptor]

K. You'd take Matt Cooke(+17) over Martin Havlat(-19)

+/- reflects more on the team then the player.

If I'm building a first line no because Matt Cooke is not first or second line material like Havlat. If you want a +/- debate with two players who are on the same level I'd take Datsyuk over Crosby.

[Fappin Raptor]

I know you're a Red Wing fan but come on. Even if Crosby was a -50 and Datsyuk was a +50, Crosby is a better player. Taking players because of their +/- is a disaster.

It's not based solely on their +/-. I'm saying it's an important stat that shouldn't be overlooked. Datsyuk consistently has a great +/- that has also contributed to the Wings great performances over the last few seasons. Datsyuk is a top 5 player and I'd take him over Crosby, not just because I'm a Wings fan. Datsyuk is a great two dimensional player.

[Fappin Raptor]

So is Crosby. He's a very good two-way forward, who had 50 goals last year. He's better than Datsyuk.

Crosby is better but not loads better where 100% of people would choose Crosby over Datsyuk.

EDIT: Nevermind read stat wrong.

[wr50l]

There's nothing intangible about a 6' 2" 210 lb middleman with accolades as the best player at the world's greatest international hockey competition and the world's greatest club hockey competition. Second youngest Stanley Cup winning captain of all time, youngest member of the Triple Gold Club. He's 22, has achieved everything that matters and isn't in someone's top 10 because he only scores just under 1 point per game in the regular season (1+ point per game in his playoff career mind you).

He's disciplined, kills penalties, plays on the powerplay and is one of the best faceoff men in the NHL too.

1. Crosby
2. Datsyuk
3. Toews
4. Malkin
5. Thornton
6. Sedin
7. Staal
8. Backstrom
9. Getzlaf
10. Richards

[wr50l]

Crosby is better but not loads better where 100% of people would choose Crosby over Datsyuk.

He really is so much better though. :orly:

Datsyuk will never put up the same offensive production. Their close puck control skills are comparable, no one passes better than Crosby and Datsyuk's goalscoring instincts don't even warrant being compared. Defensively Datsyuk isunbelievable but we're not comparing him to Malkin; Crosby is not a liability in the slightest. The balance is firmly tipped in Crosby's favour.

[Fappin Raptor]

He really is so much better though. :orly:

Datsyuk will never put up the same offensive production. Their close puck control skills are comparable, no one passes better than Crosby and Datsyuk's goalscoring instincts don't even warrant being compared. Defensively Datsyuk isunbelievable but we're not comparing him to Malkin; Crosby is not a liability in the slightest. The balance is firmly tipped in Crosby's favour.

If you put Datsyuk in place of Crosby I can see his point production go up. Datsyuk is on a team where 50-70 points is good because 4-5 players can do it on our team. I'm not saying Datsyuk is better at all, I know Crosby is better, I just don't think he is loads better.

[leaffan]

This forum is simply unbelievable over the last couple days.

[wr50l]

If you put Datsyuk in place of Crosby I can see his point production go up. Datsyuk is on a team where 50-70 points is good because 4-5 players can do it on our team. I'm not saying Datsyuk is better at all, I know Crosby is better, I just don't think he is loads better.

Both players tend to get stuck pulling sub-par offensive producers upwards. I don't see how Datsyuk could get better point production playing with Chris Kunitz in a like for like swap with Tomas Holmstrom.

[wr50l]

Why is Erik Christensen on no one's list?

:confused:

Because him and Arty kept cutting into each other's votes of course.

[Fappin Raptor]

Both players tend to get stuck pulling sub-par offensive producers upwards. I don't see how Datsyuk could get better point production playing with Chris Kunitz in a like for like swap with Tomas Holmstrom.

I see what you're saying.

My top 10 since I haven't done it yet.

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Pavel Datsyuk
3. Jonathan Toews
4. Evgeni Malkin
5. Joe Thornton
6. Henrik Sedin
7. Nicklas Backstrom
8. Anze Kopitar
9. Steven Stamkos
10. Brad Richards