The UFC will be embrassed 2 weekends in a row

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Strikeforce will do a PPV show at some point, but it will be top quality and there best fighters, not watered down cash grabs that the UFC has become

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It's a bad example. Fair enough. I'm on record as loving Daley, and would enjoy seeing the two of them fight. My only point is at the end of the day there are few guys on the SF roster that I think have what it takes to truly be the 'top' guy in MMA as a whole.

In the end, it's nice having a separate MMA org that puts on fights for all to see, with an eye towards the entertaining fight. Unfortunately, you can't just live in an isolated bubble and pretend the UFC doesn't exist. It does. And it has the money to scoop up most of the best fighters. There will always be a gravitas that the UFC can lend to it's belts that SF doesn't have. I'd love to see Felijao vs Shogun, Overeem vs Velasquez, Melendez vs Edgar. The talent pool is so shallow for SF that there are only so many interesting fights.

As I keep typing, I am turning myself in circles. My biggest problem with SF is that they really haven't created any of their own stars. If they want to get in to the discussion, it can't be with guys who fans remember losing in the UFC. Put Beerbohm in a contenders fight or a title fight, let the fans discuss what his chances are against Maynard. That's why Pride was so damn good. They had a batch of stars, the UFC had a batch of stars and you could dream of what would happen should they face off. For the most part, SF has guys who have faced off in the UFC, and at best came out just over .500

what? you are nuts, don't know where you're coming up with this stuff, seriously

[EmpireWF]

Strikeforce will do a PPV show at some point, but it will be top quality and there best fighters, not watered down cash grabs that the UFC has become

...but it won't do better than the lone WEC PPV. So what's the use?

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It's a bad example. Fair enough. I'm on record as loving Daley, and would enjoy seeing the two of them fight. My only point is at the end of the day there are few guys on the SF roster that I think have what it takes to truly be the 'top' guy in MMA as a whole.

In the end, it's nice having a separate MMA org that puts on fights for all to see, with an eye towards the entertaining fight. Unfortunately, you can't just live in an isolated bubble and pretend the UFC doesn't exist. It does. And it has the money to scoop up most of the best fighters. There will always be a gravitas that the UFC can lend to it's belts that SF doesn't have. I'd love to see Felijao vs Shogun, Overeem vs Velasquez, Melendez vs Edgar. The talent pool is so shallow for SF that there are only so many interesting fights.

As I keep typing, I am turning myself in circles. My biggest problem with SF is that they really haven't created any of their own stars. If they want to get in to the discussion, it can't be with guys who fans remember losing in the UFC. Put Beerbohm in a contenders fight or a title fight, let the fans discuss what his chances are against Maynard. That's why Pride was so damn good. They had a batch of stars, the UFC had a batch of stars and you could dream of what would happen should they face off. For the most part, SF has guys who have faced off in the UFC, and at best came out just over .500

Also another gross exaggeration of the famous ‘UFC money’ that gets passes around as fact

Since Strikeforce got the showtime deal, they have beat out the UFC for the biggest free agents and have kept the guys they wanted

The 2 biggest on the market were Fedor and Hendo, SF sgned both, Jake would be the 3rd biggest, the UFC signed him

SF also signed Mousasi, Overeem, Jacare, KJ Noons, Lashley, Mayhem, Big Foot, Barnett, etc...some of those guys the UFC had interest in, UFC signed Tito, Lil Nog and a couple others, also picked up 'Strikeforce cast offs' like Baroni

[Warner2BruceTD]

Strikeforce will do a PPV show at some point, but it will be top quality and there best fighters, not watered down cash grabs that the UFC has become

SF is a business, just like the UFC, and if they could make money and sell watered down "cash grab" ppv's, they would. Problem is, at this point, even their best possible card would lose money because nobody would buy it.

You are smarter than this, and I realise that this entire thread is a trollfest, but c'mon.

[Bigpapa42]

I enjoy Rob more when he isn't constantly trolling... Just sayin...

[Warner2BruceTD]

Fedor's first choice was UFC, but when Dana smartly wouldn't cave to his stupid demands, Coker swooped in. Now he can't book the guy. Fedor should be smashing cans in Japan, he isn't worth the trouble.

Henderson priced himself out of the market, and Dana passed. The awful CBS rating proved Dana right. SF will never recoup that investment, from a business perspective, Hendo bombed.

I don't know what this proves, other than UFC can afford not to cave for these guys. They don't need them. Coker has to bend over backwards because he needs names. Shields never drew a dime, Coker made the right call on him. Hendo didn't work out. Fedor drew a decnt rating on CBS and a nice gate, but the jury is out because he never fucking fights.

UFC has not missed Hendo one bit. Fedor/Brock would have been huge, but Brock drew with Mir, Carwin and Cain anyway.

[calgaryballer]

Also another gross exaggeration of the famous ‘UFC money’ that gets passes around as fact

Since Strikeforce got the showtime deal, they have beat out the UFC for the biggest free agents and have kept the guys they wanted

The 2 biggest on the market were Fedor and Hendo, SF sgned both, Jake would be the 3rd biggest, the UFC signed him

SF also signed Mousasi, Overeem, Jacare, KJ Noons, Lashley, Mayhem, Big Foot, Barnett, etc...some of those guys the UFC had interest in, UFC signed Tito, Lil Nog and a couple others, also picked up 'Strikeforce cast offs' like Baroni

Has winning the battle for Hendo and Fedor turned out well? I'm sure the UFC could have matched whatever SF paid, but declined. And as we are seeing, Fedor isn't exactly fighting all that often.

Have they really signed Overeem? I don't remember ever seeing him fight...

Barnett, the UFC fired him for a positive test, and apparently he didn't learn anything from it.

Mousasi et al are great signings. Too bad they seem more interested in fighting for someone else... I'm fine with that, as I prefer the Dream/Sengoku set up over SF anyway

[Warner2BruceTD]

I enjoy Rob more when he isn't constantly trolling... Just sayin...

Rob has gone crazy, he's like Bob Backlund in 1994.

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Has winning the battle for Hendo and Fedor turned out well? I'm sure the UFC could have matched whatever SF paid, but declined. And as we are seeing, Fedor isn't exactly fighting all that often.

Have they really signed Overeem? I don't remember ever seeing him fight...

Barnett, the UFC fired him for a positive test, and apparently he didn't learn anything from it.

Mousasi et al are great signings. Too bad they seem more interested in fighting for someone else... I'm fine with that, as I prefer the Dream/Sengoku set up over SF anyway

thats means nothing how it turned for Fedor and Hendo, the point is that Strikeforce signed guys the UFC wanted

you're grasping for something that isnt there

[calgaryballer]

thats means nothing how it turned for Fedor and Hendo, the point is that Strikeforce signed guys the UFC wanted

you're grasping for something that isnt there

It means everything! If they had wanted Hendo, they would have had Hendo, just at an exorbinant price. If they had wanted to give Fedor everything he wanted, they'd have had him too.

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It means everything! If they had wanted Hendo, they would have had Hendo, just at an exorbinant price. If they had wanted to give Fedor everything he wanted, they'd have had him too.

No, they wanted both, they didnt get either, so your 'The UFC has money to scoop up most of the top fighters' statement is highly exaggerated

[calgaryballer]

No, they wanted both, they didnt get either, so your 'The UFC has money to scoop up most of the top fighters' statement is highly exaggerated

Having the money and using it wisely are two entirely differently things. Not sure why you can't understand that.

Hypothetical - Tim Sylvia beats some OK guys (as he has) on the indie circuit. Both the UFC and SF have some interest. He wants $500k/fight because Monte Cox is a moron. UFC passes, while SF ponies up. Is this an example of the UFC 'not getting a guy they want', or an example of spending their money wisely?

[Bigpapa42]

No, they wanted both, they didnt get either, so your 'The UFC has money to scoop up most of the top fighters' statement is highly exaggerated

Not at all, Rob. Unless you can provide some proof that the UFC actually could not afford to pay the contracts wanted by those two, then "choosing not to" is obviously not the same as "cannot".

Be logical. Less trollish.

[Liquidrob]

cb has gone off the deep end, you make statements than cant back them up or throw out lines that mean nothing as support

I deal in facts, not made up PPV buys, popularity contests, hype and branding, once you started talking UFC cast offs and 'the big show' you bascially have given up