Does Fedor even care anymore?

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You would think he would come back more focused and it would show in his physique some what

You must be Vince McMahon if you think being 'focused' means having a six pack.

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Warner

beating Mir is not impressive, the guy was pounded out by Ian Freeman, Marcio Cruz and made Vera look like the next big thing

Couture is not a legit HW who came off a year lay off, plus Brock had over 60 pounds on him

Carwin is Bret Rogers at this point with less of a gas tank, all these guys are hype besides Randy who I always said is more of a good story than a great all time fighter

You fell for the hype of the 'New Breed of HW' (Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, Duffee) when the only legit guy from that group is Cain

He was never, I repeat, never the number 1 HW in the world

He is a good fighter who got some nice wins early but was mostly hype, please lets get back to the days where you need more than 5 fights to be called the best or elite

You are responding to things I didn't even say.

I'm not talking about being #1 in the world. I'm talking about this idea that he is a bum and a fraud. Your critiques arfe fair, aside from discrediting his opponents, especially when you picked every one of those guys to beat him. When you look at what he's done as a novice, he should be praised as a prodigy, not labeled as a fraud. Its crazy.

Go say he is a "good fighter" over on the strikegeek forum, and see what I'm talking about. People are emotional when it comes to Brock, and he isn't treated fairly. He's reached "so overated he's underated" status.

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You must be Vince McMahon if you think being 'focused' means having a six pack.

yeah, like I said that, he doesnt even look like he used to or even from the Tim fight which wasnt even that long ago

When you put the work in it usually shows, unless he completely changed his training and just runs now, but he always has done that

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You are responding to things I didn't even say.

I'm not talking about being #1 in the world. I'm talking about this idea that he is a bum and a fraud. Your critiques arfe fair, aside from discrediting his opponents, especially when you picked every one of those guys to beat him. When you look at what he's done as a novice, he should be praised as a prodigy, not labeled as a fraud. Its crazy.

Go say he is a "good fighter" over on the strikegeek forum, and see what I'm talking about. People are emotional when it comes to Brock, and he isn't treated fairly. He's reached "so overated he's underated" status.

I wouldnt praise him as a prodigy, he 'was' a big, explosive guy who has wrestling skills

He just doesnt put the work in from what I see, with his lack of training yu cant just do 'training camps' before a big fight and go hunting the reast of the time when not training, the sport is to vast for that

Guys like Cain, JDS, will eat him up

I dont think people understand how different he is from when he beat Randy and Mir, he had the huge advantage of being 280 come fight time and still quick as hell for that size, he is not that guy since the 'illness', he doesnt even cut to 265

Now you throw in the factor of not liking to take a hit and he is even a bigger question mark, this is why you dont hype the hell out of guys after a couple fights, they become Bob Sapp

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Also, I said the Brock/Carwin fight was a 50/50 fight, only picked Carwin because Brock was out for a while

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The guy beat Mir, Herring, Couture, and Carwin, all basically as a novice. All of the MMA elistist picked him to lose all of those fights (well, maybe not the Herring fight, but I dont really remember), and ended up wrong. "Well, Mir isnt that good...Couture is old...Carwin gassed..." could never just give the guy credit. He loses to Cain, in a fight where he was pretty much expected to lose by anyone who had a clue, and everyone piled on.

If Lesnar was a guy straight out of collegiate wrestling, jumping into the deep end of the pool like he did, with that level of success, he would be a cult figure among the elitist. But, as we all know, he committed the ungodly, unforgivable crime of being a phoney pro wrestler, which for reasons unknown chafes the ass of sherdorks and elitists.

Nothing he achieved matters, only the loss to Cain, because that justifies the years of saying it would happen. Well, eventually they would have turned out right.

Brock and Fedor are the two most unfairly criticized fighters in the world.

We're all guilty of having some degree of bias. MMA fans are probably some of the biggest purists that there is and I see nothing wrong with that. Look at all of the people who were against James Toney, I guess he committed the sin of being a pro boxer? Whatever the case both of their backgrounds are beside the point because the nay sayers about Toney were right just as they were with Lesnar. The guys were green and over their head, put in a position that they hadn't yet earned in this sport. Everyone knew what Lesnar's weaknesses were, but you still had wrestling fans ready to consider this guy the next best thing.

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Its a valid critique

No one is saying he should be ripped or whatever because thats not him, but he is only 34 and looks softer and smaller than normal

You would think he would come back more focused and it would show in his physique some what

34 aint exactly a spring chicken either. If he's never done that in his career, it's not going to happen at 34. He's out of his physical prime now and with the new breed of HWs he's going to be at a huge disadvantage.

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"Well, Mir isnt that good...Couture is old...Carwin gassed..." could never just give the guy credit. He loses to Cain, in a fight where he was pretty much expected to lose by anyone who had a clue, and everyone piled on.

Warner

beating Mir is not impressive, the guy was pounded out by Ian Freeman, Marcio Cruz and made Vera look like the next big thing

Couture is not a legit HW who came off a year lay off, plus Brock had over 60 pounds on him

Carwin is Bret Rogers at this point with less of a gas tank, all these guys are hype besides Randy who I always said is more of a good story than a great all time fighter

You fell for the hype of the 'New Breed of HW' (Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, Duffee) when the only legit guy from that group is Cain

He was never, I repeat, never the number 1 HW in the world

He is a good fighter who got some nice wins early but was mostly hype, please lets get back to the days where you need more than 5 fights to be called the best or elite

You realize you just completely proved W2B point right ?



As for Fedor...
After that "he who doesnt fall doesnt stand up" speech he damn well better be taking this serious.
I love Fedor but I dont like when guys checkout mentally in sports. Its conniving people out of money.

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You realize you just completely proved W2B point right ?



As for Fedor...
After that "he who doesnt fall doesnt stand up" speech he damn well better be taking this serious.
I love Fedor but I dont like when guys checkout mentally in sports. Its conniving people out of money.

um, no

I said he is a good fighter, that is credit, but put his wins in perspective, without the UFC hype machine he wouldnt been ranked number 1 which he never should have, he wouldnt have people calling him 'the baddest man on the planet' after a couple fights, etc...

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He's in his early 20s in the first pic? 34 in the other, that's just age.

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Athletes Can stay in shape and get in better shape, he is 34, not 64

He used to train hard, doesn't seem like it now

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Athletes Can stay in shape and get in better shape, he is 34, not 64

He used to train hard, doesn't seem like it now

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Athletes Can stay in shape and get in better shape, he is 34, not 64

He used to train hard, doesn't seem like it now

I don't think you're going to find many guys who look better at 34 than they did at 24. Especially someone like Fedor who's completely natural. Once the testosterone levels start to dip, that's the result.