Fedor Will Not Retire, Preparing for More Fights

[Liquidrob]

Strikeforce is their direct competitor.

No they're not right now

The don't do PPV's, they are not on a cable channel like spike, they are on a premium pay channel, Strikeforce it self just puts on fights, Showtime pays them for content, it is not even set up like the UFC currently

They don't go out and challenge the UFC like Affliction did for PPV buys, they don't challenge them and constantly call them out like EliteXC did, the only thing they do the similar is bid on fighters

Strikeforce is doing there own thing right now, leave the WWF vs WCW angle alone and to the Meltzer type people

[Warner2BruceTD]

Take some advice, don't write it, you're coming off as a Meltzer copycat at this point, do your own thing

You guys still havent figured out that Strikeforce/Showtime would prefer to be linked with the UFC as in MMA as a whole, they don't want to be a direct competitor, call the UFC out or act like they don't exist

Having the prelims on HDNet is better than not having prelims shown, they are linking themselves with MMA, so what if they interview Gregg Jackson than talk about someone who fights in the UFC, it is more of a sport that way, not none of this bubble shit the UFC does and frankly Strikeforce doesnt care at this point

I understand what you are saying, but again, what purpose does it serve to talk about the UFC with Jackson? Like it or not, they are fighting for market share. Doesn't mean it has to be a "war", doesn't mean there has to be animosity or childish bs involved, but it is what it is. It doesn't help SF in terms of the public perception of being "second rate" to the "top dog" if HDNet is busy getting UFC scoops from Jaclkson on a SF show. Its a PR battle when it comes to perception, you know that, and perception is the biggest issue SF has right now.

[Steel Mamba]

The only top flight HW I see him beating is Werdum, or Hendo if he moves up. I don't want to see him leaving the sport in the same manner Liddell did, it's important to know when it's time.

[Steel Mamba]

I understand what you are saying, but again, what purpose does it serve to talk about the UFC with Jackson? Like it or not, they are fighting for market share. Doesn't mean it has to be a "war", doesn't mean there has to be animosity or childish bs involved, but it is what it is. It doesn't help SF in terms of the public perception of being "second rate" to the "top dog" if HDNet is busy getting UFC scoops from Jaclkson on a SF show. Its a PR battle when it comes to perception, you know that, and perception is the biggest issue SF has right now.

By distancing their selves from the UFC it creates the perception that they are second rate. The more they show and talk with people who are associated with the UFC the better their image and standing within the MMA world becomes. In a sense it enhances their prestige. It would be against SF best interest to operate with an isolationist mentality.

[Warner2BruceTD]

By distancing their selves from the UFC it creates the perception that they are second rate. The more they show and talk with people who are associated with the UFC the better their image and standing within the MMA world becomes. In a sense it enhances their prestige. It would be against SF best interest to operate with an isolationist mentality.

We aren't talking about people who are entrenched in the MMA world, we are talking about casual viewers and sports fans who only know one brand.

And I'm not suggesting some childish ban on mentioning the letters UFC or saying names of UFC fighters. Mentioning them in passing is unavoidable and not damaging. But a third party producing tv for you spending valuable tv time essentially hyping a UFC fight is counter productive when that time could be used to push the SF product. That is why Dana won't give up his production, he doesn't nedd Jim Lampley calling a Brock fight and pontificating on whether Fedor can beat him, and he doesn't need HBO interviewing Gina Carano on his show.

[EmpireWF]

No they're not right now

The don't do PPV's, they are not on a cable channel like spike, they are on a premium pay channel, Strikeforce it self just puts on fights, Showtime pays them for content, it is not even set up like the UFC currently

They don't go out and challenge the UFC like Affliction did for PPV buys, they don't challenge them and constantly call them out like EliteXC did, the only thing they do the similar is bid on fighters

Strikeforce is doing there own thing right now, leave the WWF vs WCW angle alone and to the Meltzer type people

UFC is the #1 MMA company in the world. Strikeforce is #2.

They are competitors.

[EmpireWF]

By distancing their selves from the UFC it creates the perception that they are second rate. The more they show and talk with people who are associated with the UFC the better their image and standing within the MMA world becomes. In a sense it enhances their prestige.

I disagree.

If Strikeforce talks up Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar, whomever, it does absolutely nothing for their own prestige.

They can come off second rate when talking about the UFC, it's a slippery slope.

Better off just sticking to doing you and making yourself appear as the premiere group.

[Steel Mamba]

We aren't talking about people who are entrenched in the MMA world, we are talking about casual viewers and sports fans who only know one brand.

Exactly. So for those viewers who only know the UFC, the way you peak their interest is to somehow place recognizable names and faces in front of them. SF needs to make that sort of connect and not distance themselves from the only thing most MMA fans know or respect.

It's similar to endorsements. Most casual consumers will rush to the store the second you associate someone they recognize with a particular product. That product/company's image is instantly boosted.

And I'm not suggesting some childish ban on mentioning the letters UFC or saying names of UFC fighters. Mentioning them in passing is unavoidable and not damaging. But a third party producing tv for you spending valuable tv time essentially hyping a UFC fight is counter productive when that time could be used to push the SF product. That is why Dana won't give up his production, he doesn't nedd Jim Lampley calling a Brock fight and pontificating on whether Fedor can beat him, and he doesn't need HBO interviewing Gina Carano on his show.

The UFC is in a position to do that, SF is not.

[Liquidrob]

you guys don't get it, strikeforce doesnt care, they actually prefer to be linked to the UFC, you guys don't listen to coker and the things he says?

I thought you guys were more perceptive, guess not

Mentioning Anderson Silva in Feijao's corner doesnt hurt, at all, Frank and Mauro saying for 10 seconds that And1's kick was great during a 2 hour broadcast, did not hurt at all, showing Cain in the crowd doesnt hurt 1 bit, it probably helps more because thats what they want, to be linked

They just pulled 2 of there best ratings back to back, noe there prelims are on HDNet, they're growing and this is how they're doing it

Step back, get out of the 'war' mentallity and figure out what they're tryign to do, oh, and stop reading Meltzer while you're at it, lol @ paying to read his shit

[Warner2BruceTD]

So let me get this straight...

The best way for SF to promote their product, is to assosiate themselves with the stars of the competing product. Boy, that's brilliant.

All that does is reinforce the perception. If your goal is to never gain market share, then that is the way to go.

That mode of thinking is so far off base, its almost comical.

[Warner2BruceTD]

So let me get this straight...

The best way for SF to promote their product, is to assosiate themselves with the stars of the competing product. Boy, that's brilliant.

All that does is reinforce the perception. If your goal is to never gain market share, then that is the way to go.

That mode of thinking is so far off base, its almost comical.

[Liquidrob]

Exactly. So for those viewers who only know the UFC, the way you peak their interest is to somehow place recognizable names and faces in front of them. SF needs to make that sort of connect and not distance themselves from the only thing most MMA fans know or respect.

It's similar to endorsements. Most casual consumers will rush to the store the second you associate someone they recognize with a particular product. That product/company's image is instantly boosted.

exactly, when And1 is in Feijao's corner, you show him, than the average fan says 'oh shit, Silva trains this guy? he must be a killer!'

[Warner2BruceTD]

you guys don't get it, strikeforce doesnt care, they actually prefer to be linked to the UFC, you guys don't listen to coker and the things he says?

I thought you guys were more perceptive, guess not

Mentioning Anderson Silva in Feijao's corner doesnt hurt, at all, Frank and Mauro saying for 10 seconds that And1's kick was great during a 2 hour broadcast, did not hurt at all, showing Cain in the crowd doesnt hurt 1 bit, it probably helps more because thats what they want, to be linked

They just pulled 2 of there best ratings back to back, noe there prelims are on HDNet, they're growing and this is how they're doing it

Step back, get out of the 'war' mentallity and figure out what they're tryign to do, oh, and stop reading Meltzer while you're at it, lol @ paying to read his shit

Clearly you havent read a thing I typed, I already addressed mentioning things in passin doesn't hurt. I'm talking big picture, in terms of controlling your own production so that type of stuff doesn't get out of hand.

You seem to be in troll mode today, so I'll back off and let you bait empire.

[Liquidrob]

So let me get this straight...

The best way for SF to promote their product, is to assosiate themselves with the stars of the competing product. Boy, that's brilliant.

All that does is reinforce the perception. If your goal is to never gain market share, then that is the way to go.

That mode of thinking is so far off base, its almost comical.

no one said it's there best way, but they're not going to avoid it, talking about Silva's kick for 10 seconds is not 'promoting it'

Having a deal with HDNet showing there prelims is better than not showing there prelims, if they want to ask Gregg Jackson about Jon Jones who gives a shit?

You're trapped by the WWE/UFC business model and can't get out

[Warner2BruceTD]

exactly, when And1 is in Feijao's corner, you show him, than the average fan says 'oh shit, Silva trains this guy? he must be a killer!'

I don't even disagree with that, you just want an argument that isn't there.