When Okami beats And1 I won't call him overrated

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Ken was brought in to lose, Franklin was one of the new golden boys, he was a xyience guy, he was a math teacher, the UFC was pushing for a different image and Rich was one of there guys, Ken was the name, just like when they brought Tank in for Mir

Ken dropped before the punched landed (it never landed actually) but he pulled it together like a pro

[Warner2BruceTD]

I call bullshit, because before the fight, Joe Rogan clearly states that this is 'the best Ken Shamrock we have ever seen'.

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Sorry And1, Okami is coming for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCaAj96_Yg4&feature=player_embedded#at=458

[EmpireWF]

Of all of Silva's UFC opponents, no one has had so many people thinking he can finally stop Silva like Yushin Okami does.

He won't.

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If he fights like Chael did he will win by decision, he has 10X if not more the sub defense of Chael, he isnt as good as Chael wrestling wise but And1's TDD isnt a strong point

If And1 doesnt catch him early he is getting grinded out by Yushin

[EmpireWF]

If he fights like Chael did he will win by decision, he has 10X if not more the sub defense of Chael, he isnt as good as Chael wrestling wise but And1's TDD isnt a strong point

If And1 doesnt catch him early he is getting grinded out by Yushin

We can assume Anderson won't be fighting with a broken rib this time though.

[Steel Mamba]

What is it you have against Silva? 2 quality wins? At least be consistent with the hate, if you're going to go to bat for Fedor's wins over Hong Man Choi and Tim Sylvia, don't come in here and say Anderson only has 2 quality wins.

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lol, that's just me being me, I am a And1 fan, but it's some what valid, let's take a quick look, also, I don't think I ever have siad HMC was a quality win or even a good win, that doesnt sound like me

Let's look at And1 vs Fedor 'quality' wins or 'best' wins and break them down

Silva's greatest win is Hendo easily, which is an awesome win and he finished him, after that I'm not really sure who his next 'great' win is

We have Franklin X2, Marquardt, Vitor? Chael? or a LHW Forrest fight

The MW division IMO and many others have always said it's been weak, even when people say the HW division is the weakest, I disagree, I believe MW has less elite level guys than HW, but probably just more 'good' guys, actually his 2nd best win was probably against Hayato Sakurai back in the day, who is much smaller than And1

Fedor has 3 elite level wins, Nog X2 and Cro Cop, but all 3 decisions, after that you have AA, one of the Coleman wins, Herrings and Big Tim

Anyway, it's not that big a deal anymore, And1 has passed Fedor on the all time list, both same age and Fedor has lost 2 in a row

Actually, It's pretty hard to figure out who is the GOAT now, it might be Silva by default, I still don't like his comp, but Fedor drops out, GSP has probably the best wins but he can't finish anyone, so it's probably Silva at this point

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From all the era's for the GOAT discussion I guess it would be these guys, not in order

And1
Fedor
Saku
Frank
GSP
Hendo
Wand
Royce

WHo else?

[EmpireWF]

From all the era's for the GOAT discussion I guess it would be these guys, not in order

And1
Fedor
Saku
Frank
GSP
Hendo
Wand
Royce

WHo else?

Hughes
Liddell?
Penn

[SHOGUN]

Mach
Rua

/bias

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Hughes
Liddell?
Penn

From my list, yours and shoguns we can elimanate a couple

Shogun is the best LHW to this point, so chuck and wand are knocked off, Hughes was there but GSP is better, so he is off, so only guys are

And1
Fedor
GSP
Shogun
I can see Penn for his upper weight success also

And than it's Saku, Frank, Royce and maybe Bas of the old schoolers