The Bret Hart scale...Let's rate random wrestlers.

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Kevin Nash
aka Oz / Big Vinnie Vegas / Diesel

Physical Appearance / Look / Character - 9/10. Few guys could match up with him physically.
Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 7/10. He could talk.
In-Ring Work - 2/10. He was awful. Gets all two points for lawn dart'ing Rey Mysterio into a sound truck. I've never seen a Nash match I even remotely enjoyed.

TOTAL 18/30

[Bigpapa42]

I'll give you that, an old Jim Nord promo is like negative numbers. When I say awful here though, I mean like a 3 or 4...which is a low number when we are talking about top guys. I mean, he rated Hogan a 2 as an in-ring performer...I mean, Hogan was better in the ring than Hart was on the mic.

That's true. And Hogan could actually work when he wanted to. His Japan stuff is pretty good. Not outstanding. But it clearly shows his WWF/WCW formula was not all he was capable of. Its all he needed to do, though. Same with The Rock, really.

I had the WWE-On-Demand for awhile (surprisingly worthwhile) and loved when they would have an old show from Mid Atlantic Wrestling or even WCCW from about 1983-84. Some of the promos were just nasty-bad. Even for top level workers. Jack Brisco cut some really poor ones (and he was capable of a decent promo). Then Roddy Piper would walk onto the set and cut a Piper level promo that made Brisco look even worse...

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Great thread idea.

I think you guys are selling Bret short on promos. He always got his point across, and came off cocky & confident at all times. His 1997 heel promos were awesome. I'd give him a 7.

Look: 7
Promos: 7
Work: 9. I can't pull the trigger on 10. He was great. He's not Misawa.

Score: 23

I really am trying to not split hairs like that...I agree, but I'd give both 10's and just not give a fuck. A guy like Jericho would be a 9, to me.

[Kuzzy Powers]

5/10 on the stick for Bret is severely underrating him IMO. When Bret was doing the Canada vs America shit he was tremendous on the stick.

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Ken Patera

Physical Appearance - 10/10, look at him, does it get any better?

Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 3/10, don't remember him speaking much

In-Ring Work - 9/10, I know his finishing move was a full nelson, maybe a swinging one, my big fat cousin would put me in it and yell 'Ken Patera!', I don't think I ever got out of it

Score - 22/30

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Younger AWA/New Japan/heel WWF Hogan I would give a 6 for work.

Hulkamania Hogan, a 2.

Everything since about 1995, a 0.

I feel similar...

Hogan would get a 6 early in his career.
Hulkamania Hogan...I can't rate it low like a 2...he worked a forumula driven style that ended up making him a shit load of money and he had some classic matches using it. Not my cup of tea and surely not consistent...but I'd give him a 4-ish.
Hogan post-steroid trial and in WCW...he didn't have a single good match and his time there is stricken from the records.

[Warner2BruceTD]

These rob bios are killing me.

[Kuzzy Powers]

In-Ring Work - 9/10, I know his finishing move was a full nelson, maybe a swinging one, my big fat cousin would put me in it and yell 'Ken Patera!', I don't think I ever got out of it

Lmao.. tremendous reasoning for the score.

[FirstTimer]

In-Ring Work - 9/10, I know his finishing move was a full nelson, maybe a swinging one, my big fat cousin would put me in it and yell 'Ken Patera!', I don't think I ever got out of it

Score - 22/30

Made me seriously LOL at work.

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Randy Savage
The Macho Man

Physical Appearance / Look / Character - 9/10. Iconic character and unique look. Every single person in the world knows who Randy Savage is and knows what he looks like.
Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 10/10. I'm clumping together here, as I really don't want to differentiate between a Flair 10 and a Savage 10. If anyone questions my 10, please look to Exhibit A.
In-Ring Work - 9/10. Early in his career, incredibly believable, simple, innovative. Later in his career, methodical, but physically couldn't do what he did in the 80's. The words "Aerial Assault" and "Pearl Harbor'd" were invented for Randy Savage. Might even give him another .5 here if you ask me in 10 minutes. *edit* I have no idea why I gave this guy an 8...9 it is.

TOTAL - 28/30

Exhibit A
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Arn Anderson

Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 10/10 I think hes gotta be the perfect 10 here, but I know ill probably catch flack for that. But noone cut a more intense promo then Arn, one of the best on the sticks ever.

Arn's promos made everyone feel like their drunk dad was about to beat them up for misbehaving.

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Don Moraco

Physical Appearance - 9/10, almost a 10, if he wasnt natural he could have been a 10

Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 9/10, This was a disguting human being, never had a nice thing to say about anyone

In-Ring Work - 2/10, not very versatile, I believe he liked to eye gouge and rake his finger nails down your back, he might have had a back breaker or something, but he always cheated, not very technical

Score - 20/30

[Warner2BruceTD]

Don Muraco is like two different people.

First you had chubby top heel early 80's "Magnificent" Muraco, who'd i'd score:
Look: 4
Promo: 8
Work: 7
Total: 19

Then, you had roided up babyface "Rock" Don Muraco, who gets:
Look: 8
Promo: 1
Work: 4
Total: 13

There is actually a third Muraco, a really fat version in between these two, and he gets a zero for everything because he clearly had stopped giving a shit.

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Jiimmy 'SUPERFLY' Snuka

Physical Appearance - 9/10, I don't remember him being this big like in the pic, was a 'smaller' guy and a high flyer type, but I liked his look with the headband

Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 6/10, grunted and had some broken english going on, but when he took that cocunut to the head from Piper I felt bad for him, he didnt deserve that, I was sold on that fight

In-Ring Work - 10/10, HE JUMPED OFF THE TOP ROPE, plus I remember he jumped off the top of Andre the Giants shoulders, for that alone you get a 10, mix in island guy headbutts, chops and drop kicks and you have a star

Score - 25/30

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Hulk Hogan

Physical Appearance / Look / Character - 10/10. Duh.
Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 10/10. Duh.
In-Ring Work - 5.5/10. Probabaly being generous. Pre-Hulkamania Hogan was respectable in the ring. Hulkamania-Hogan was by-formula and bland, but it worked for the time. Kind of dated though. WCW / Hollywood Hogan and beyond was awful, legitimately.

TOTAL - 25.5/30