MMA Thread

[Kuzzy Powers]

do you think the winner of Brock/Mir is the 2nd best HW in the world?

wasnt Mir getting KO'ed by Vera just like 3 fights ago?

The HW division is all fucked up.. its hard to say who stands where when we cant even see everyone fight each other. But I definitely wouldnt consider Mir a top 3 heavy.. but if hes coming out like he did against Nog maybe he is. Dude looked phenomenal in that fight... and was looking like a promising fighter before his Motorcycle accident/pain pill addiction too.

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It is a weak division but hes the best fighter in it (Not named Shane Carwin). And not even necessarily because hes the most skilled, because he isnt.. but guys like Frank Mir almost have to get lucky to beat Brock, the size is just too much. Which is why I lol @ you thinking a 45 year Randy has a shot against him a 2nd time.

randy was pushing brock against the cage when he wanted to

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Ridiculous. Same crap people said before the Couture fight..he whips the shit out of Randy and that was a fluke as well ?

Whatever. If he beats Mir then what ?

I sure as hell wont put AA, Sylvia in front of him. Barnetts last 2 real challenges were Nog and Cro Cop and he lost both.

Outside of Fedor rest of the HW in UFC or Affliction or anywhere else are all B level. Its not a stretch to put Lesnar there if he beats Mir. I cant fathom a human being watching that Randy fight and thinking he wins a rematch. He looked like a little boy hugging his dad.

I love Overeem but he'd need to pass a drug test before Id consider him. The guy looks roided out to no end.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Sylvia? Seriously? Wow..

CroCop hasnt done anything relevant in years..

[Kuzzy Powers]

Ive been hating on Tim Sylvia for ages.. the pressing your opponent against the cage for 5 rounds approach just doesnt work for me. I dont think theres a chance he'd beat Lesnar one-on-one at this point.

[RosettaStoned]

Randy was hanging in there, thats all he was doing. Brock was never in trouble at any point and was constantly laying on Randy. He was lucky to make it to the 2nd round..

I realize you guys are quick to discredit him for everything.. but how about you guys try to giving him credit for something too?

Randy was winning that fight until he got caught.

[RosettaStoned]

Just watched it again. It was really pretty even, with Randy getting the better of the stand up. He even cut Brock at one point.

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Ridiculous. Same crap people said before the Couture fight..he whips the shit out of Randy and that was a fluke as well ?

Whatever. If he beats Mir then what ?

I sure as hell wont put AA, Sylvia in front of him. Barnetts last 2 real challenges were Nog and Cro Cop and he lost both.

Outside of Fedor rest of the HW in UFC or Affliction or anywhere else are all B level. Its not a stretch to put Lesnar there if he beats Mir. I cant fathom a human being watching that Randy fight and thinking he wins a rematch. He looked like a little boy hugging his dad.

I love Overeem but he'd need to pass a drug test before Id consider him. The guy looks roided out to no end.

it wasnt a fluke, but randy was doing quite well, plus he was coming off a 11 month lay off, randy would do a rematch

AA, Barnett and Tim have bigger wins than Randy and Mir, I would put AA and Barnett over Brock easily, Tim also has only lost to great comp, Brock would probably maul him on the ground, but Tim can survive down there for awhile

Overeem has passed a drug test just last year or so in strikeforce, lol @ thinking Overeem is on something and Lesnar, Mir or Randy isnt, all these guys do probably are on something, they just dont get caught, so stop with that, Overeem can pass the same tests they do

I would like to see a Brock/Carwin fight, that would be fun

sidenote: Fedor/AA/Barnett/Tim/Overeem > the UFC HW divsion

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Just watched it again. It was really pretty even, with Randy getting the better of the stand up. He even cut Brock at one point.

yeap, dont see where Brock was looking that great, Randy was putting him on the cage and stuffed a couple of brocks TDs, it was an even fight until the bomb was dropped

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also, brock was cheating and grabbing the fence

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like I asked earlier, the winner of brock/mir is what in the HW world?

brock wouldnt have done anything that vera, marcio cruz and ian freeman havent done and mir would just have another win over brock

they dont really jump up the rankings IMO fighting each other, only reason you guys have these fighters high on the list is because they are in the UFC

[Bigpapa42]

Ive been hating on Tim Sylvia for ages.. the pressing your opponent against the cage for 5 rounds approach just doesnt work for me. I dont think theres a chance he'd beat Lesnar one-on-one at this point.

I've hated on Sylvia too. But he is a top heavyweight, just because he's a matchup problem for almost anyone.

I still haven't really changed my stance on the way that Lesnar was brought into the UFC and treated immediately being questionable, but he's legitimate. He didn't get lucky against Couture, he did okay and then dropped him. He's a monster athlete who is smart enough to learn quickly, and he's a match up problem for almost anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if he dominates the UFC scene for a long while.

As for where that would put him, Rob, I don't think it can put him in the top couple of spots. Maybe top 5, as Mir's win over Nogueira was impressive (though less impressive if the rumors about Nog being in the hospital right before are true) but he hasn't had a ton of other wins of late.

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also, before anyone says it, I'm not putting Overeem high on a list because he hasnt done much, I'm just saying I would favor him over Brock if they ever fought

style wise he is a nightmare match up for brock, K1 level striking, all the tools on his feet and ADCC level grappling, 1 of the best guillotines in MMA and brock would be sticking that ball peen hammer head right into Overeems arms from shooting doubles across the cage

[RosettaStoned]

Fedor and Barnett are 1 and 2. Everybody else probably arguable.

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