MMA Thread

[Liquidrob]

Weren't you the guy that argued with me over at MM that boxers would beat the shit out of mma fighters? I may be mistaken, but I think that was you.

thats probably bigbucs

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[BigBiss]

I Will say Boxing is having a huge influence on the MMA world and theres no reason a good boxer should not be able to adapt there skills from Boxing to being a good MMA fighter.

[CrimsonGhost56]

I thought the commentary sucked. "cooler than the other side of the pillow" real fucking orginal Mauro...

yeah mauro can be real cheesy at times but overall hes not that bad (way better than mike goldberg IMO). i preferred gus johnson doing the play by play though. i miss "the fight professor" stephen quadros, i havent heard him announce a fight in a real long time ( he commentated almost all of them Pride events with Bas)

[Bigpapa42]

I Will say Boxing is having a huge influence on the MMA world and theres no reason a good boxer should not be able to adapt there skills from Boxing to being a good MMA fighter.

Boxing is a part of MMA, but its only a part. Striking in MMA is boxing-influenced, but it is not boxing. There is a lot that that is different, from not being able to protect yourself with the smaller gloves to having to worry about kicks and takedowns. Everything changes.

With enough cross-training, a very good boxer should be able to become a very good MMA fighter. In theory. But that same theory should hold true for any practitioner of any major combat sport that makes up part of MMA - jiu jitsu, muay thai, wrestling, Sambo, etc. It just doesn't always carry over, though. Some guys can't overcome the instincts they've built in for their specific sport. And some just don't have the ability to adapt to different forms of fighting.

[EmpireWF]

This argument will continue as long as nobody makes the jump either way (Arlovski, Sylvia or Roy Jones).

IMO, a good boxer will need to train for a long time before they can be safe in an MMA fight to where they won't be tapped ASAP. Any real MMA fighter worth their salt should be able to take a pro boxer down and make him tap.

In a boxing match, any MMA fighter would probably be blasted by a good pro boxer. There are some exceptions but a pro boxer's footwork and hand speed should be too much for most.

[CrimsonGhost56]

In a boxing match, any MMA fighter would probably be blasted by a good pro boxer. There are some exceptions but a pro boxer's footwork and hand speed should be too much for most.

overeem would beg to differ

[Bigpapa42]

overeem would beg to differ

But K-1 kickboxing is not boxing. As impressive as Overeem KOing Hari was, he wasn't in there against actual top level pro boxer. Now, if Arlovski climbed into a boxing ring against one of the Klitschko brothers, I'd say that's proof.

[EmpireWF]

Exactly BP, I'm talking about top echelon pro boxers. Not a K-1 kickboxer.

Arlovski may have the best footwork of any top MMA heavyweight and I'd say he'd be slaughtered by a Klitschko in a boxing match.

[Bigpapa42]

Exactly BP, I'm talking about top echelon pro boxers. Not a K-1 kickboxer.

Arlovski may have the best footwork of any top MMA heavyweight and I'd say he'd be slaughtered by a Klitschko in a boxing match.

Yup, agreed. Arlovski has great footwork, hand speed, and good power. He might be the best boxer in MMA, and he's only getting better working with Freddie Roach. His chin would be a question mark, though. I might likes Arlovski's chances against some average pro heavyweights. But against a top guy, I wouldn't be putting my money on him, not matter how much I like the guy.

[BigBiss]

Boxing is a part of MMA, but its only a part. Striking in MMA is boxing-influenced, but it is not boxing. There is a lot that that is different, from not being able to protect yourself with the smaller gloves to having to worry about kicks and takedowns. Everything changes.

With enough cross-training, a very good boxer should be able to become a very good MMA fighter. In theory. But that same theory should hold true for any practitioner of any major combat sport that makes up part of MMA - jiu jitsu, muay thai, wrestling, Sambo, etc. It just doesn't always carry over, though. Some guys can't overcome the instincts they've built in for their specific sport. And some just don't have the ability to adapt to different forms of fighting.

Ture but you can see more and more guys focusing on it. Rampage comes to mind.

I think if you could teach a good boxed to sprawl (ie take down deffence) and he was built in away he could keep separation with jabs, and at the end take into account the 4 oz gloves or what ever they use today a boxer could fuck people up. But not with out training in the other disciplines.

Thinking a MMA guy who has to spread his focus over Wrestling,Striking,JJ ... Ect. could beat a boxer that has focused his whole life on just boxing, in a boxing match seems far fetched to me.

[Bigpapa42]

Ture but you can see more and more guys focusing on it. Rampage comes to mind.

I think if you could teach a good boxed to sprawl (ie take down deffence) and he was built in away he could keep separation with jabs, and at the end take into account the 4 oz gloves or what ever they use today a boxer could fuck people up. But not with out training in the other disciplines.

Thinking a MMA guy who has to spread his focus over Wrestling,Striking,JJ ... Ect. could beat a boxer that has focused his whole life on just boxing, in a boxing match seems far fetched to me.

Most MMA fighters are focusing on the MMA-based aspects of boxing, not boxing as whole. Arlovski is one of the only ones who jumps to mind in his training with Freddie Roach. He's actually making the jump to professional boxing. Guys like Rampage work on things like footwork, head movement, and combinations from boxing. Having an MMA fighter spend time on boxing defense would be a waste, as its so different with the different size gloves.

The problem is that you can't just teach a boxer some rudimentary takedown defense and have that be enough. Maybe if you put them in an MMA fight against someone who is not going to go to ground in at all. They still have to know to check leg kicks and watch for head kicks. They have to know to defend a guy changing levels and coming in for a clinch. The need to know how to defend single leg takedowns, double leg takedowns, trips, judo throws, and even wrestling-based slams.

Most MMA fans seem to realize that a crossover fight would depend on the venue. In an MMA fight, the MMA fighter is going to have a major advantage. And vice versa, in the boxing match, the boxer would more than likely win.

[BigBiss]

Sounds like we are all arguing the same point here.

[Bigpapa42]

Sounds like we are all arguing the same point here.

Most likely. Its been a long day.

[CrimsonGhost56]

isnt arvloski in a boxing match fairly soon?

and dont forget big timmy vs mercer straight up boxing ,,, couldnt get sanctioned in NJ so it got moved to alabama lol