The Soccer Thread

[Archer]

Barca play the same 4-3-3 system as Holland ..... Where there are 3 strikers chosen , i dont know how Henry and Messi cant be classed as left and right striker?

Its not like they use a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1

Its a 4-3-3

They do roam around but neither track back into their own half at all

I also said the more i think .... Ibra is in the top 10 but i was just giving possible people at the end

[Archer]

Err no way is Messi a striker, don't class him amongst strikers please. Just because he roams forward doesn't make him a striker.

You said Ibra isn't even in the top 10 strikers in the world. I asked you to give me 10. Heck, I even listed 6 who I believe imo is better than him. You only needed to give me 4 more. You gave me Anelka and Forlan, pleeeeaaaseeeeeeeeeeeee. If this was 2007 then its a yes for Ruud.

Wait , i also said the more i think hes in the top 10 .... you know people do make mistakes?

I also said Forlan was iffy and probably not in the top 10 but did state that he had nothing short of an exceptional record in Spain

Ruud was injured all last year , the previous 2 years he was dominating

Messi doesnt "roam forward" he plays in a 4-3-3

You know

4 Defenders - 3 Midfeilders - 3 Strikers

Messi being one of the 3 strikers considering the front 3 is

Etoo - Messi - Henry

And even before that i put if you class Messi as one

So when you play defense in a 4-4-2 that doesnt make you a defender? Totally ... John Terry , the amazing striker /sarcasm

[Archer]

Just because they play in a 4-3-3 doesn't make them a striker. Heck Diarra and Essien plays centre back, would you rate Essien amongst the best centre backs in the world?
And Messi does track back if you seen any Barca games.

No because Essien lines up at CENTER MIDFEILD In the Formation

You know the center of midfeild

Essien has only ever played Centerback or RB because of injuries .

When they say Essien starts in the middle of midfeild then id class him as a central midfeild player

[Archer]

Nope, Messi is a very attacking winger/midfielder. He is not a striker, although he does sometimes play striker.

Would you also consider Ronaldo a striker as well?[/

If he lines up as one of the 2 STRIKERS on the day i would

But since most of the time he lines up on the wing in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 id call him a winger

When Messi plays attacker mid in a 4-4-1-1 i will call him a attacker mid

[Archer]

So Messi lines up more as a striker than a winger? I know you're going to give me that 4-3-3 formation shit but seriously do you actually watch soccer or do you just read forums and boxscore and get your shit from there?

Messi is a winger just like Ronaldo. There's a reason people keep comparing them.

Messi - Best midfielder in the world
Torres - best striker in the world

Get it?

Lol @ you , i watch football , go to games and probably get more games on my tv than you

The fact that you called it soccer is funny as fuck from somebody who proclaims to be an expert at this

He doesnt roam forward , he roams around , if somebody lines up at striker in a 4-3-3 , 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 im calling them a striker

[Archer]

But sometimes Essien plays as a centreback, why is that different from Messi who just roams forward?

You know like you said

4-4-2

Cole - Essien - Terry - Bosingwa

:headbang:

Its Cole - Alex - Terry - Bosingwa in 80% of the games since Hiddink took over but i will forgive you

If Essien starts at centerback because of injuries then he is a centerback for the day

If he starts at midfeild then he is a midfeiler

He is naturally a midfeilder tho

[Archer]

You're posting in a thread called 'The soccer thread' and we're on a football forum. I don't want to confuse you anymore.

I am already sick of this argument. If you want to sound like an idiot and list Messi amongst the best strikers with Torres, Drogba etc then its up to you. Good night.

Its actually good morning

I just found the fact that you asked if i watch games funny , I have probably been to more Newcastle games than you have saw Premiership games

The fact that you dont understand basic formations is really great too

Btw the soccer bit was more of a personal hate for the word ..... i wish it was just called football like it is here

And i admitted i made a mistake by leaving Ibra out of the top 10 but you kept talking shit and pushing it

No wonder none of your old "buddies" wanted you on here .

[Archer]

We should really have a poll around here. Messi - winger or striker?

Thought you were done?

When a guy starts at striker hes a striker .

He may roam to other areas of the feild but if hes listed in a formation that contains 3 strikers and hes down as one of them it kind of makes him one

Maybe not the proto-typical striker but still one none the less

When they use a 4-4-1-1 and he is listed as the Attacker Midfeilder i will call him as such until then , hes a striker to me and every pundit on english tv for that matter

[Archer]

You're posting in a thread called 'The soccer thread' and we're on a football forum. I don't want to confuse you anymore.

I am already sick of this argument. If you want to sound like an idiot and list Messi amongst the best strikers with Torres, Drogba etc then its up to you. Good night.

Its actually a sports gaming forum .... dont confuse me even more :laugh:

[wr50l]

Messi is not a winger, Barca plays 433 and he's one of the forwards. Trying to portray Barca's team as a 451 with midfielders who push forward down the flanks is just ridiculous, Messi is never found in the midfield even when his team is defending.

[Senser81]

Messi isn't a striker, he's an attacking midfielder.

Anelka is slow and useless most of the times. You can say he's like Adebayor in that he gets a lot of chances to score due to team.

Ruud - mmm no.

Henry doesn't even play striker anymore at Barca, he's on the left wing.

Forlan - no way. You're delusional if you think Forlan is better than Ibra.

Totti - maybe

Ibra is definitely one of the best strikers of the world. There's a reason Barca wants him and are willing to pay 30 mil plus Eto'o as well. You can even argue that Zlatan is in the top 5.

First tier
1. Torres
2. Drogba

Second tier
Villa, Eto'o, Ibra, Rooney, Toni, Totti.

Its odd to me that you refuse to call Messi a striker, yet you would call Rooney a striker. I think they are both strikers, but if you are going to split hairs than Rooney is much more of an 'attacking midfielder' than Messi.

[Archer]

Anyways, Ibra is top 3.

Im not sure if i agree with top 3 but i may have been a bit hasty with my first comment

Id say hes in the top 10 now i actually sit down and go through them

[calgaryballer]

Messi is not a winger, Barca plays 433 and he's one of the forwards. Trying to portray Barca's team as a 451 with midfielders who push forward down the flanks is just ridiculous, Messi is never found in the midfield even when his team is defending.

Agreed. In the CL final, I believe it was Messi upfront with Eto'o and Henry on the wings.

Just because Henry has played on the left (as Messi plays on the right most games) the entire season, is he now a midfielder?

[Archer]

I think you guys are hung up on the definition of a striker. Do you equate a striker with just being a forward? If that's the case then Messi is a striker.

Personally, I see a striker as different then a forward. Guys like Drogba, Torres, Ibrahimovich are strikers. Guys like Messi and Rooney are more like wingers since they do most of their damage from outside the box.

If you run a 4-3-3 id call all 3 of the strikers , strikers espically when you use it every game of the season

Same with 4-4-2 ... if your one of the 2 i call you a striker and same for 4-5-1

Even if its just for one game or permanant

[davie]

Agreed. In the CL final, I believe it was Messi upfront with Eto'o and Henry on the wings.

Just because Henry has played on the left (as Messi plays on the right most games) the entire season, is he now a midfielder?

Henry did start as a left winger at Juve all those years ago.

Please stop. Just stop. They werent booing because they thought he was a bum, they booed because they didnt like his effort.

He also in that game score a free kick, one of the free kicks of the season, and then told them all to be quiet. Zlatan a bum huh? ok davie.....

He didn't score a free kick in their home game to Lazio. He scored a shit goal and then put his finger to his lips infront of his own fans as a celebration. I think he's a bum. I'd rather have Marco Di Vaio.