The General Wrestling Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

I know W2B doesn't like Dolph but he seems like a star in the making, a WWE-style star, yes, but a star nonetheless. Poo on Vince for not giving him the belt though.

I give Dolph credit, because he is working the exact style that the E loves...slow the pace, easy to digest 80's style psychology...this guy uses so many chinlocks, it probably gives Orton a boner.

I think his name is a negative, but that isnt his fault. He can overcome it, but it will make it harder.

His look is a positive, because nobody remembers him as part of the career killing Spirit Squad (which is what killed Ken Doane/Dykstra, IMO).

If I don't like him, it's probably a good thing for his career, because they push all the guys I think are shit. They don't matrket their product for me, someone who if HHH vs. Orton was main eventing across the street for free, i'd stay home and download the latest NOAH show or go to the indy show an hour away.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Randy Orton has never had a good match. Ever.

He's lazy, and his "methodical stalker" gimmick dosen't help. He moves in slow motion and has a move set straight from the 1980's.

He sucks, plain and simple.

Sure doesnt help him when you have clusterfuck terrible endings like the one last night tho.

[Bigpapa42]

Actually paid the full PPV amount to watch SummerSlam last night. First time in forever that I've done that and probably won't against for a long long time. The show was actually better than I expected. Which isn't to say it was great, just not at all terrible.

Thought the Mysterio-Ziggler match was solid. Nothing fantastic, but Mysterio made Ziggler looked pretty good, which had to be the point.

MVP-Swagger was too short. Decent enough match but it didn't get enough time.

Jeri-Show against Cryme Tyme was a solid tag team match for the E. Nothing memorable or standout, but it didn't suck. It made CT look credible as opponents, which is the reason they have the belts on two main eventers.

I'm just going to pretend that Khali-Kane never happened. Its easier that way.

I was actually surprised by how much I enjoyed D-X against Legacy. And they did make Rhodes and DiBiase look about as good as possible without actually giving them the win.

Christian-Regal annoyed me. I was looking forward to that match and they do that? The least they can do is give them 20 minutes on ECW to work a proper match, but I doubt that will happen.

I'm no real fan of either Orton or Cena, though I don't hate Orton like W2BTD does. Up until the sequence of screwy finishes, I thought it was a pretty solid match. Good enough, at least. They actually made Orton look pretty good instead of weak as hell like they typically do, until all those finishes.

I enjoyed the hell out of the TLC match and the finish with the Undertaker. It was predictable all the way around, but that doesn't make it any less good. I love that it shows a successful PPV can be headlined by someone outside the main guys.

As for Danielson to the E, that has me interested. He apparently has a lot of supporters in the E, so I'm hopeful that they will treat him and push like he should be. Not that he's going to get do 60 minute broadways, but getting a chance to showcase his skills on a regular basis would be nice.

Also, there are some serious rumors - apparently from within ROH themselves - that the E has made or will make offers to another 4-6 ROH workers. So it could be serious devastation for the Ring of Honor roster if that's true.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I give Dolph credit, because he is working the exact style that the E loves...slow the pace, easy to digest 80's style psychology...this guy uses so many chinlocks, it probably gives Orton a boner.

I think his name is a negative, but that isnt his fault. He can overcome it, but it will make it harder.

His look is a positive, because nobody remembers him as part of the career killing Spirit Squad (which is what killed Ken Doane/Dykstra, IMO).

If I don't like him, it's probably a good thing for his career, because they push all the guys I think are shit. They don't matrket their product for me, someone who if HHH vs. Orton was main eventing across the street for free, i'd stay home and download the latest NOAH show or go to the indy show an hour away.

Ken Doane was killed because they didn't let him put himself over...his only means to be put over with in the ring...or, was it supposed to be the dead animal around his shoulders that got him over...or was it Victoria?

He was good in the OVW. I thought then he had a lot of potential and it wasn't impossible to break from the Spirit Squad and become successful.

Plus, his name was awful...a name can make or break you.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Danielson has to change his style. He has a half dozen finishers that are all over with the ROH crowd, but in the E, you have to dumb it down for the masses and have *one* signature move. But this is a guy who got the small package over as a credible finish, so he's good enough to adjust and come up with a 4 or 5 move repetitive rotation that Vince likes his guys (especially babyfaces) to have, and find one finisher to get over (Cattle Mutilation is unique enough work, but who knows).

Sometimes, it all comes down to having the right people behind you:

-William Regal is a big supporter, and that's good, because Regal and HHH are tight.

-Jim Ross being a big supporter is probably a negative.

-Being "trained" by HBK means nothing, because it did nothing for the careers of Brian Kendrick or Lance Cade (besides, HBK probably couldnt pick Danielson out of a lineup).

-I don't know if CM Punk is tight with Danielson, but it would probably be a negative anyway, because Punk is still an outcast of sorts, and his status as a headliner did nothing for his best friend (Colt Cabana) in terms of push or job security.

He's relatively weak on promos, but was able to get by in ROH because he was so over. But I think he's good enough to pull off the cheesy scripted garbage they give everyone. Jury is out.

But the biggest thing that will work against him is his rep. CM Punk came in with a big rep, and despite being told he didn't know how to work, sent to developmental for a year, and banished to ECW for another year after that, he was able to overcome it. But he's still not very well liked.

The difference between Punk & Danielson, is unfairly or not, Punk comes off cocky and aloof (because he probably is), while nobody ever has a bad thing to say about AmDrag, who by all accounts is humble, contrite, and respectful of everyone he works with. Plus, Punk commited the cardinal sin of fucking Divas before he was considered a star, a major breach of locker room etiquette (you cant make this stuff up). AmDrag dosen't strike me as the kind of guy who will be hitting on Kelly Kelly his first day in.

I think he needs to come in with a gimmick that he's a no frills, no nonsense, great wrestler. Even use the "Best In The World" tag as his catch phrase. That way, he can come out with his lack of tan, lack of muscle tone, short stature, and bad haircut, and instead of looking minor league, he'll come off as different and unique. Let the heels pick on his body, make fun of his unintimidating look, but then have him work them in the ring and "ouwit" them at every turn.

Will that get over? Can a guy who's "just a wrestler" work in that envrionment? I don't know, but he's probably the only guy who can pull it off.

[FedEx227]

Also, there are some serious rumors - apparently from within ROH themselves - that the E has made or will make offers to another 4-6 ROH workers. So it could be serious devastation for the Ring of Honor roster if that's true.

Danielson getting signed opens up the floodgates. They must be thinking if he can go, why the hell can't we?

So yeah, beginning of the end for sure.

I think Danielson can get over like W2B said it has to be in a no non-sense, I win because I'm better at wrestling type of deal.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think Danielson can get over like W2B said it has to be in a no non-sense, I win because I'm better at sports entertainment type of deal.

Fixed

[FedEx227]

Hahaha yeah... wouldn't want to give the wrong impression.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Im not gonna lie.. I laughed pretty hard at the opening segment of Raw..

[Derrville]

Jeff Hardy is done.

On 8/25/2009 Jeff Hardy lost a "loser leaves WWE" steel cage match against CM Punk. (Obviously storyline, as Jeff chose to take a break from WWE to pursue other endeavors).

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Ill still bet the emo fag makes another run in TNA.

[JayDizzle]

I'd actually pitch in on a PPV to see Jericho and Danielson slug it out... if only for the "You're gonna head kicked in..." chants.

[Bigpapa42]

Sounds like Danielson might be headed to FCW to start out. Unnecessary but unsurprising. I really hope they don't keep him there as long as they did Punk.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Sounds like Danielson might be headed to FCW to start out. Unnecessary but unsurprising. I really hope they don't keep him there as long as they did Punk.

Why?

Some of Punk's best work since signing with the E came when he was in OVW.

Punk v. Albright was a great program.

[Bigpapa42]

Why?

Some of Punk's best work since signing with the E came when he was in OVW.

Punk v. Albright was a great program.

Mainly because of visibility. If he's at least on ECW, I can see him. If he's on FCW, it will mean trying to found DLs of the matches. Plus, I doubt any program he can run in FCW right now is going to better than what he could do in ECW. Sure, Danielson-Kaval (er, Low-Ki) would be sweet... but sweeter than Danielson-Regal?

[BigBiss]

Mainly because of visibility. If he's at least on ECW, I can see him. If he's on FCW, it will mean trying to found DLs of the matches. Plus, I doubt any program he can run in FCW right now is going to better than what he could do in ECW. Sure, Danielson-Kaval (er, Low-Ki) would be sweet... but sweeter than Danielson-Regal?

Why cant we have both on ECW by November?