Smokin' Joe Frazier Dead at 67

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  • EmpireWF
    Giants in the Super Bowl
    • Mar 2009
    • 24082

    Smokin' Joe Frazier Dead at 67



    Joe Frazier, a tough, underrated heavyweight boxer from Philadelphia and one of the sport's fiercest competitors who spent a lifetime playing second fiddle to his nemesis, Muhammad Ali, died Monday night from liver cancer. Frazier was 67.

    Frazier's death was announced in a statement by his family, who asked to be able to grieve privately.

    Frazier was diagnosed with cancer in late September, said his personal and business manager, Leslie Wolff. He had made several personal appearances since then.

    Though there was lingering animosity between Frazier and Ali for more than 40 years, their names became synonymous with each other. Ali and Frazier. Frazier and Ali. It was almost as if you couldn't say one without the other, said boxing historian Bert Randolph Sugar, who covered their amazing trilogy of fights in the 1970s.

    "Smokin' Joe" Frazier was the first fighter to defeat Ali, putting the loquacious "Louisville Lip" on the canvas with his signature vicious left hook during their first fight, the so-called "Fight of the Century" in Madison Square Garden on March 8, 1971, one of the most epic ring battles of all time. Frazier went on to win by unanimous decision.

    Both fighters were paid an unheard of sum of $2.5 million, far more than any boxer had ever been paid for a prize fight.

    Frazier and Ali came into the match undefeated. Ali had gotten under Frazier's skin leading up to the fight, called him such names as "Uncle Tom," "ugly," "chump," "ignorant" and "dumb."

    It was racial taunting at its worst, and it would affect Frazier for the rest of his life. Ali made it worse by continuing to taunt Frazier throughout their careers, calling Frazier a "gorilla" before their final fight in Manila.

    In an interview with USA TODAY's Erik Brady two years ago, Frazier's bitterness came out in the form of religious bashing. Frazier believed Ali's Parkinson's Disease was God's judgment for Ali's Muslim beliefs.

    "Regardless of who you are, you have to think one way, and the right way, to be accepted by the man above," Frazier said. "He calls the shots."

    Asked if he could ever forgive Ali for gorilla, Uncle Tom, and the rest, Frazier said, "Sure . . . but the Man above, you'd better ask Him. . . . (Ali) must not pray. If you prayed, you'd have a better life than you have now. I'm 65 and I'm as strong as two bulls. So he must not bend down to the good Man above."

    Ali and Frazier would meet twice more after the "Fight of the Century," and Ali won both, including the finale of their trilogy, the "Thrilla in Manila" on Oct. 1, 1975, one of the most brutal bouts in boxing history.

    At one point during the slugfest, Ali whispered to Frazier during a clinch, "Ol' Joe Frazier. They told me you were washed up."

    Frazier snorted back, "They lied, pretty boy."

    Both men could barely stand by the end of the fight, and Frazier couldn't see, his eyes swelled shut.

    By the end of the 14th round, Frazier had had enough. When he came back to his corner, his trainer, the legendary Eddie Futch, told him, "Sit down son. It's all over. Nobody will ever forget what you did here today."
    Ali called that fight, fought in the extreme heat and humidity of The Philippines, "The closest thing to death."

    Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum, who co-promoted the "Thrilla in Manila," called it the greatest fight of all time. "There is no fight in the history of boxing, ever —ever— that compared to that fight," Arum said Monday night.
    Frazier, who fought just twice after that, finished his career with a 32-4-1 record. But his four losses came against two opponents, Ali and George Foreman, who handed Frazier the only two knockouts of his career.

    Frazier's first knockout by Foreman is best remembered for Howard Cosell's iconic call, "Down goes Frazier!"

    Frazier retired after the second loss to Foreman in 1976, but came out of retirement in 1981, and fought to a 10-round draw against Floyd "Jumbo" Cummings in Chicago. Then he hung up his gloves for good.

    Asked if he ranked Frazier as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, Arum said, "Absolutely. I can see him now, with Jimmy Ellis, and Jerry Quarry, pumping that left hand, just coming forward, coming forward. God, it was such a thrill to see him fight. Boy, what a left hook!"

    Frazier spent most of his years in retirement working with kids in his Philadelphia boxing gym, including two of his own who became boxers, son Marvis and daughter Jacqui. In an interesting twist, Jacqui Frazier Lyde, fought Ali's daughter, Laila Ali a decade ago. Ali won a majority decision. Jacqui went on to become a municipal court judge.

    A few years ago, Frazier and Ali did a photo shoot together at Frazier's gym, which has since closed. Ali, now 69, said upon hearing the news that Frazier was terminally ill, "The news about Joe is hard to believe and even harder to accept. … Joe is a fighter and a champion, and I am praying he is fighting now."

    Upon hearing of Frazier's death Monday night, Ali said in a statement, "The world has lost a great champion. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family."

    Ali and Frazier weren't always at odds.

    It was Frazier who petitioned President Richard Nixon to have Ali's boxing license reinstated after Ali refused induction into the Army during the Vietnam war. Frazier also boycotted a heavyweight tournament to crown a new champion after Ali was stripped of his title in 1967.

    That was before their trilogy, and all the name-calling, much of which came from the brash Ali's penchant for poeticizing his fights and trying to get under his opponents' skin, not so much from his hatred of Frazier or anybody else.

    Joseph William Frazier was born Jan. 12, 1944 in Beaufort, S.C. He fell in love with boxing as a child after watching such legendary figures as Sugar Ray Robinson, Rocky Marciano and Willie Pep on his parents' old black and white TV. He left Beaufort at the age of 15 to seek his fortune in boxing.

    Frazier became a great amateur boxer and ended up making the 1964 U.S. Olympic boxing team, where he won a heavyweight gold medal in Tokyo.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWYnTFz9PE"]Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier I: Round 15 (Knockdown.) - YouTube[/ame]


  • jeffx
    Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 3853

    #2
    The 'Thrilla in Manila' was the greatest fight I've ever seen in my life. Ali is one of my sports heroes, but I always respected Joe Frazier.

    RIP Smoke.

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    • dave
      Go the fuck outside
      • Oct 2008
      • 15492

      #3
      Joe Frazier - a man who made boxing mean something. Mike Tyson before Mike Tyson.
      RIP Smokin' Joe.
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      • NAHSTE
        Probably owns the site
        • Feb 2009
        • 22233

        #4
        Too young to fully appreciate him as a boxer, unfortunately. Really wish I had seen him in his heyday. RIP to Smokin' Joe.

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        • Swarley
          A Special Kind of Cat
          • Jul 2010
          • 11213

          #5
          Wish I could have seen those Frazier/Ali fights. RIP.

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          • NAHSTE
            Probably owns the site
            • Feb 2009
            • 22233

            #6
            [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKAGKVpCUU&feature=player_embedded"]Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier 1 FULL FIGHT - YouTube[/ame]

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            • nflman2033
              George Brett of VSN
              • Apr 2009
              • 2393

              #7
              As an Ali fan I can't respect his hatred for Ali or forget the stuff he said about him long after their third fight. With all that said, RIP he had a lot of rough times, he was a hell of a fighter with the heart of a warrior and as a boxing fan I hate to lose any of the greats, and a great one he was.

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              • Liquidrob
                Izzy is a bum
                • Feb 2009
                • 11785

                #8
                [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEn9eH8XYY"]"Smokin" Joe Frazier Highlights - YouTube[/ame]
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                • Blade
                  Walking SAM site
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 3739

                  #9
                  Only man that could go fists to fists with Ali mentally and physically in the ring.

                  RIP to one of the greatest warriors of all time.

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                  • jeffx
                    Member
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 3853

                    #10
                    Originally posted by nflman2033
                    As an Ali fan I can't respect his hatred for Ali or forget the stuff he said about him long after their third fight. With all that said, RIP he had a lot of rough times, he was a hell of a fighter with the heart of a warrior and as a boxing fan I hate to lose any of the greats, and a great one he was.
                    I'm an Ali fan too, but I can understand Joe's bitterness. Joe felt betrayed. He lent Ali money, then Ali says all that ugly shit about him.

                    It's too bad most of you cats weren't around for that first fight in March '71. I'm telling you, the atmosphere surrounding it was INCREDIBLE. Even the nuns at my catholic school were excited over it. There hasn't been anything like it since.

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                    • nflman2033
                      George Brett of VSN
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 2393

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jeffx
                      I'm an Ali fan too, but I can understand Joe's bitterness. Joe felt betrayed. He lent Ali money, then Ali says all that ugly shit about him.

                      It's too bad most of you cats weren't around for that first fight in March '71. I'm telling you, the atmosphere surrounding it was INCREDIBLE. Even the nuns at my catholic school were excited over it. There hasn't been anything like it since.
                      My issue is more about how trash talk is part of the game and he seemed to dish it out better than he could take it, which I don't respect. Holding a grudge is one thing but comments made by Joe when Ali's health went down were pretty low and it will always be hard to respect his actions especially when he showed no remorse.

                      But alas I would prefer not to bash the man any longer I am sure Ali has no ill will so nor shall I, I was merely pointing out the feelings I had toward the man when he was still alive.

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                      • Kuzzy Powers
                        Beautiful Like Moses
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 12542

                        #12
                        Without Frazier, Ali doesnt have quite the same legacy IMO. Not sure how many casuals appreciate that fact. R.I.P to that man.

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                        • NAHSTE
                          Probably owns the site
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 22233

                          #13
                          Watched that entire fight last night, Frazier was a fucking terrier in the ring.

                          Originally posted by kuzzy
                          Without Frazier, Ali doesnt have quite the same legacy IMO. Not sure how many casuals appreciate that fact. R.I.P to that man.
                          Absolutely. Most huge Ali fans will acknowledge that. Every great athlete needs a foil.

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                          • nflman2033
                            George Brett of VSN
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2393

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
                            Without Frazier, Ali doesnt have quite the same legacy IMO. Not sure how many casuals appreciate that fact. R.I.P to that man.
                            Unquestionably.

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                            • jeffx
                              Member
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 3853

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NAHSTE
                              Watched that entire fight last night, Frazier was a fucking terrier in the ring.



                              Absolutely. Most huge Ali fans will acknowledge that. Every great athlete needs a foil.

                              Of course. In pro sports, you're judged by the competition you face, and Ali beat the best(Frazier, Foreman, Norton, etc).

                              NAHSTE's right about Smokin' Joe being relentess. He gave Ali fits, but his style got him destroyed by Foreman. It's all about matchups.

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