BROCK vs OVEREEM IS ON!!!

[RosettaStoned]

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When Overeem has his first MMA fight he was 19 years old, a 6'5" LHW

Pretty much like Bones Jones but YOUNGER, now everyone talks about Jones 'filling out' and becoming a HW is a couple years, LOL

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Overeem fought at HW a couple times weighing in at 220-225 range

Against Paul B it was 11/2007 and he was 225 lbs

Against Cro Cop in 9/2008, 10 months later he was 242 lbs, his next big jump in weight was against James Thompson at 10/2009 where he was around 255 lbs which he has been pretty much since than

So he went from 225 to 256, 31 lbs in 2 years

He has said in the past he rarely if ever weight trained to stay in the LHW class, he didnt start lifting until he decided to go to HW, Overeem gassed badly in almost all his fights at LHW when they wouldnt end in the 1 round, he clearly wasnt a LHW and a natural HW, he has a big frame

So he says. Running free in a test free environment doesnt help the cause.
Dodging the latest test sure doesnt help the cause.

Its much safer to assume he did then think hes a rare exception to the PE rule.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

When Overeem has his first MMA fight he was 19 years old, a 6'5" LHW

Pretty much like Bones Jones but YOUNGER, now everyone talks about Jones 'filling out' and becoming a HW is a couple years, LOL

If he showed up as a 243 lb HW by this time next year Itd raise a few eyebrows. Even with the fact he has 8 feet worth of wingspan to fill out.

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Jones 84" reach

Overeem 81.5" reach

Very similar guys, I expect Bones to be a HW in a cuple years, but he understands weight cutting better than Overeem at this point or any point in his career because of his wrestling background, weight cutting can be a huge advantage or a huge disadvantage depending on how you do it

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Jones 84" reach

Overeem 81.5" reach

Very similar guys, I expect Bones to be a HW in a cuple years, but he understands weight cutting better than Overeem at this point or any point in his career because of his wrestling background, weight cutting can be a huge advantage or a huge disadvantage depending on how you do it

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My point is Overeem looks a hell of alot thicker in that frame than Jones does and it would still be a surprise to see him at that weight so quick.

[Steel Mamba]

Eat 8-10 times a day of healthy high protein meals while training your ass off and document the size you put on. The amount of weight Overeem has added over the span of several years is not remotely unrealistic for someone his age.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Eat 8-10 times a day of healthy high protein meals while training your ass off and document the size you put on. The amount of weight Overeem has added over the span of several years is not remotely unrealistic for someone his age.

SMH
Running free in a test free environment doesnt help the cause.
Dodging the latest test sure doesnt help the cause.

[Steel Mamba]

Strikeforce is a test free environment? Anyway, that's not my point - everyone just assumes that he must be on something because of his gains. As if it's impossible to put on that type of muscle naturally. It is possible, and realistic enough for me to view him the same way I view every other fighter. The chances of him doping is just as equal as everyone else.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Strikeforce is a test free environment? Anyway, that's not my point - everyone just assumes that he must be on something because of his gains. As if it's impossible to put on that type of muscle naturally. It is possible, and realistic enough for me to view him the same way I view every other fighter. The chances of him doping is just as equal as everyone else.

ay yay yay.

1. His massive gains were 2 years between SF fights when he was doing Dream.

2. Noone said it was impossible. Implausible =/= Impossible.

3. There is no "chance" of someone doping. Its not something they bump into or get hit by. Hes either doing it or not. He wreaks of a guy who's taken Roids. Only odds are whether he gets caught or not.

4. A pro fighter changing his body that dramatically within 2 years after nearly 8 years at one weight. Doing his fighting in a steroid safe haven. Then dodging the test for his first UFC fight makes it more realistic he's on PED. Not a pure natural fighter.

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My point is Overeem looks a hell of alot thicker in that frame than Jones does and it would still be a surprise to see him at that weight so quick.

Overeem has a bigger frame than Jones does. Jones has small wrists and ankles.

It is not unrealistic, nor improbable for Overeem to put on his size without drugs.

35lbs over 2 years isn't out of the ordinary.

[Steel Mamba]

ay yay yay.

1. His massive gains were 2 years between SF fights when he was doing Dream.

2. Noone said it was impossible. Implausible =/= Impossible.

3. There is no "chance" of someone doping. Its not something they bump into or get hit by. Hes either doing it or not. He wreaks of a guy who's taken Roids. Only odds are whether he gets caught or not.

4. A pro fighter changing his body that dramatically within 2 years after nearly 8 years at one weight. Doing his fighting in a steroid safe haven. Then dodging the test for his first UFC fight makes it more realistic he's on PED. Not a pure natural fighter.

Nope, it's not implausible either. Again, train hard and eat 8-10 meals and watch what happens to your body. Reem has the genetics and knows enough about nutrition to transform his body in 2 years. There are countless everyday people who make the same sort of gains (naturally) in the same or less time.

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Overeem has a bigger frame than Jones does. Jones has small wrists and ankles.

It is not unrealistic, nor improbable for Overeem to put on his size without drugs.

35lbs over 2 years isn't out of the ordinary.

Still ignores that he did so at a time of rampant drug use thus making it stupidly easy to short cut his way there.

But Ill listen to a counter argument. Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

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Still ignores that he did so at a time of rampant drug use thus making it stupidly easy to short cut his way there.

But Ill listen to a counter argument. Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

I seriously doubt it was all muscle.

[RosettaStoned]

Still ignores that he did so at a time of rampant drug use thus making it stupidly easy to short cut his way there.

But Ill listen to a counter argument. Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

Your argument is retarded. Saying that it was available therefore its safe to assume he did is fucking dumb.

The second part is also retarded. Weight based competitions are notorious for people trying to cut as much as possibe, not bulk up. Overeem is the only fighter I can recall trying to bulk, which is probably why so many people assume he juiced.

I don't really need a counter argument, because you don't have an argument. I said I'm not sold on him juicing, what he gained is perfectly normal. I've seen him workout, if juicing he would be bigger imo.

Saying he could have done it isn't an argument against what I've said, so why make a counter argument. PRIDE didn't test either, why was he struggling to get down to 205 instead of juicing his head off? Seems dumb to me.