Stanley Cup Final: New Jersey Devils vs. Los Angeles Kings

[Ravin]

I said Andrew Shaw could have avoided the hit since he clearly saw Smith behind the net and he didn't even try to avoid the hit.

I'm not saying Scuderi needed to jet around the net, I'm just saying I hate when players turn their back towards the boards in thos situations. Guys do it all the time and it always ends up badly. So many times in the regular season you see it, and when I played hockey, kids use to do that all the time to try and get a penalty. Just wish people would stop it, and take a look.

Obviously in the play, Bernier is coming straight, where as Scuderi is following the boards. So they T-boned so to say. Happens all the time. I just don't like how he turned his back.

[wr50l]

I think Ravin is just saying that Scuderi victimized himself because that's what players do now. He could have played it backhand or forehand along either end of the boards and not had to turn his back as much as he did. Players do this so that forwards can't hit them and Bernier's only legal option was to forfeit a chance to lay a big hit on the forecheck because of it.

All unimportant of course since the play should have been dead for a hit from behind minor on Jarret Stoll 5 seconds earlier. The referees made the right call on Bernier but shot themselves in the foot by missing an equally blatant though less violent illegal hit which would have stopped play and negated the Bernier forecheck. As if giving a phantom 5 minute powerplay (3 goals scored) wasn't enough the linesman then decided to really end the game by gifting the Kings a 4th goal early in the 2nd.

[Senser81]

I said Andrew Shaw could have avoided the hit since he clearly saw Smith behind the net and he didn't even try to avoid the hit.

And Bernier tried to avoid the hit?

Obviously in the play, Bernier is coming straight, where as Scuderi is following the boards. So they T-boned so to say. Happens all the time. I just don't like how he turned his back.

No, this is wrong. Scuderi's momentum has basically stopped him on the boards, and his back is facing Bernier. Bernier's straight-line charge is too straight, so in order to hit Scuderi Bernier has to skate to his right. There is no T-boning. I don't get why you have such a conflicting description of the play, but that usually happens in this forum.

[Senser81]

I think Ravin is just saying that Scuderi victimized himself because that's what players do now. He could have played it backhand or forehand along either end of the boards and not had to turn his back as much as he did. Players do this so that forwards can't hit them and Bernier's only legal option was to forfeit a chance to lay a big hit on the forecheck because of it.

But if Scuderi had magically jetted around the net, then, as I said before, Bernier would have had no chance to hit Scuderi because Bernier was so far behind the play and taking a terrible angle. Bernier never would have had a chance to "lay a big hit on the forecheck" if Scuderi had done what you wanted him to. So the Bernier wasn't really "forfeiting" anything, because he never was in a position to lay a big hit to begin with. The only way for Bernier to have landed a big hit was if Scuderi slowed down for Bernier to catch up to him, and thats what happened.

I typically don't understand the logic in this forum, and this is just another case. Bernier is forfeiting his chance for a big hit which could have only been made illegally. Got it.

[Ravin]

You just said if Scuderi kept skating, Bernier couldn't have laid the hit. But he didn't. He slowed down and turned his back, putting himself in the position to get hit from behind. What is hard to understand about that. If he keeps skating, the worst that happens is a shoulder hit into the glass. Turning around put him into the position for a bad hit.

Maybe you don't understand the logic because you don't understand the game fully, or the speed in which the game is played. As I said, from 52-54 seconds in that video, the play went from Bernier at the goal line to a finished hit. Scuderi had not yet turned.

[wr50l]

But if Scuderi had magically jetted around the net, then, as I said before, Bernier would have had no chance to hit Scuderi because Bernier was so far behind the play and taking a terrible angle. Bernier never would have had a chance to "lay a big hit on the forecheck" if Scuderi had done what you wanted him to. So the Bernier wasn't really "forfeiting" anything, because he never was in a position to lay a big hit to begin with. The only way for Bernier to have landed a big hit was if Scuderi slowed down for Bernier to catch up to him, and thats what happened.

I typically don't understand the logic in this forum, and this is just another case. Bernier is forfeiting his chance for a big hit which could have only been made illegally. Got it.

Nonsense. Perhaps you don't understand the logic of this forum because you don't know how fast a player like Steve Bernier can close a gap. Bernier would have easily took a big chunk off of Scuderi's side if he had continued to skate around the net (which would have been the logical thing to do if Scuderi had any care for his own personal safety). For fuck sake man, Bernier hits Scuderi exactly where he anticipated he would meet him, except Bernier correctly wasn't expecting to see the guy's numbers at that spot.

[Senser81]

Maybe you don't understand the logic because you don't understand the game fully, or the speed in which the game is played. As I said, from 52-54 seconds in that video, the play went from Bernier at the goal line to a finished hit. Scuderi had not yet turned.

Thats terrible logic, because Scuderi's back is to Bernier the entire play. From 0:42 - 0:48 Scuderi's shoulders remain parallel with the back boards. You seem to be arguing that Scuderi turned his back to Bernier on purpose...and? Is he not allowed to do that? I thought the boarding rules were to prevent what Bernier did, not what Scuderi did. You also seem to be arguing that Bernier had no choice but to deliver the illegal hit. But if he has to change his path to hit Scuderi because Scuderi slowed up when he wasn't supposed to, then how can that be an argument?

[Senser81]

Nonsense. Perhaps you don't understand the logic of this forum because you don't know how fast a player like Steve Bernier can close a gap. Bernier would have easily took a big chunk off of Scuderi's side if he had continued to skate around the net (which would have been the logical thing to do if Scuderi had any care for his own personal safety). For fuck sake man, Bernier hits Scuderi exactly where he anticipated he would meet him, except Bernier correctly wasn't expecting to see the guy's numbers at that spot.

So which is it? Did Bernier expect Scuderi to slow down an play the puck, and still decided to illegally board him? Or was Bernier expecting Scuderi to play the puck and continue around the net like Scuderi was "supposed" to do? I don't understand how Scuderi did something he wasn't "supposed" to do, its Scuderi's fault for putting himself in harm's way, yet Bernier hits Scuderi exactly where he anticipated he would meet him.

Perhaps you don't understand physics, but Bernier's speed is a detriment to him hitting Scuderi behind the net. His angle is too direct and he is going too fast to change direction enough to get at Scuderi. Even in the illegal boarding hit, Bernier still has to change direction to the right to get at Scuderi.

[wr50l]

It boggles my mind that you can't see just how run of the mill everything about this incident was except that Scuderi exposed his own back. How can you possibly think that Bernier is going too fast to hit Scuderi when he, an experienced grinder who makes a living partially because of body checking, has tracked his movement all the way from the blue line and is only a few feet away as Scuderi closes in on the puck. There's not much variation to go through on this. Scuderi's either going to get hit on the side or the back depending on what he does, and it will be the exact same spot regardless.

[riley420]

lolBrodeur

lolBrodeurhashisnameonthecup3timesalready

1940....1994....2048?

[leaffan]

Good job philly lulz

[EmpireWF]

lolBrodeurhashisnameonthecup3timesalready

1940....1994....2048?

I'll take it if when the Rangers fall short, it's Brodeur getting dominated. So sweet.

[ram29jackson]

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