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2013 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Red Reporter ‏@redreporter
The plan is to sign Jonathan Broxton, have Broxton get injured, keep Chapman as closer, win 97 games. #Reds
 
Rudi said:
Reds are going to sign Broxton for 3 years according to sources.

This move means Chapman will be heading into the rotation. Neat.
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Better sign someone else as insurance, can't really trust Broxton to stay healthy and/or hold it all together.
 
Reds re-sign Todd Redmond to a one year minimum contract.

Meaningless throw away move, right? I don't think so.

Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Chapman
---------
Leake
Cingrani
Redmond
(Corcino)

Last year, the Reds literally did not have a 6th starter once Jeff Francis opted out. Which is why they traded for Todd Redmond.

This time around, with Chapman moving to the rotation, Cingrani ready for prime time, and Redmond back on board, the Reds have plenty of depth beyond the first five. Even Corcino will be ripe for a call up, which was not the case last season.

I think the chain of moves today, the signing of Redmond and the presumed signing of Broxton which pushes Chapman to the rotation, signals to me that Leake is involved in a potential trade.

Leake has good trade value - 25 year old first round pick, three years of cheap team control, arm stretched and ready for 200 innings, 28-22 with a league average ERA+, and has pitched in two playoff races and has made a postseason start. Also a good enough hitter to be used as a pinch hitter/pinch runner (18 career non pitching games played), which is more valuable than it sounds like for an NL team, effectively giving a manager six bench players.

Trading Leake would leave the Reds with three insurance starters, which is three more than they had at points last season. Plus whatever scrap heap camp invitees they sign to minor league deals.

I think Leake will be moved.
 
C Hanigan
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Frazier/empty
SS Cozart
RF Bruce
CF Stubbs*
LF empty/Frazier

C Mesoraco
OF Paul
OF Heisey
UTIL
UTIL

Reds need a 3B or LF, but looking more & more like they will leave Frazier at 3B and seek a LF.

Emmanuel Burris, Didi Gregorius, Henry Rodriguez, Scott Rolen (FA) are in house options for the Cairo/Valdez UTIL spots.

*If Reds find a new CF, Stubbs could be history, because I don't think they'll carry three backup OF's and only one IF/UTIL.

Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Chapman
----------
Leake
LeCure
Arredondo
Ondrusek
Marshall
Masset
Broxton
Hoover
Simon
Redmond
Cingrani

That's four extra pitchers. Cingrani will probably start in AAA. So really three. Redmond has two options. I believe Ondrusek does as well. So one more would have to go, and it's not an easy call.
 
Are we keeping this thread for next season or should we make a 2013 thread?

I'm very interested to see what's going to happen with Leake/Stubbs/LF.
 
Broxton deal is 3 years, $21M.

Year 1 - $4M
Year 2 - $7M
Year 3 - $9M

Year 4 - $9M team option w/$1M buyout

What a relief. I still don't like Broxton, and it gets a little hefty year 3, but I can live with this. This isn't enough money to where the team can use the "we are paying him so much that he just has to be the closer" excuse.

I am really curious to know what Madson got from LAA.
 
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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
madson gets $3.5M guaranteed, $2.5M roster bonus (just has to be on roster) plus $1M incentives. so likely $6M plus
 
Aroldis Chapman is going to enter spring training next February as a starter. Should he also emerge as one, there will have to be a limit on the amount of innings that he throws in 2013 because he topped out at 71 2/3 frames as the Reds’ closer in 2012.

But that innings limit won’t be all that strict.

Reds pitching coach Bryan Price told John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer on Wednesday afternoon that he will “see where [Chapman] is in terms of innings and pitches after 25 or 30 starts.” Which is basically a full season for most healthy starting pitchers in the major leagues.

“We’ll know a lot more by the time we get to spring training,” Price added. “I don’t think there’s an absolute. You have to have a plan and hope it works. Any time you have a young pitcher and he’s going to surpass his inning total, there’s going to be questions if he gets hurt. We can’t be scared of that.”

Chapman has a dominant 2.33 ERA, 1.02 WHIP and 14.1 K/9 in 135 career major-league innings.

The 25-year-old left-hander is under contract with the Reds through the conclusion of the 2015 season.
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I like the sound of this. Sounds to me like the Reds won't be living in fear like the Nats did, and will just play things by ear.

If the team is out of it, and he's got 180 innings, shut him down.

If the team is in the race, and he's not showing signs of slowing down, ride that horse. He started for years in Cuba. Let him go.
 
Cozart and Leake for Justin Upton. Make it happen.

Do not want Dexter Fowler, would rather just keep Stubbs. He's not a HUGE upgrade and def not worth giving up Bailey for.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
C Hanigan
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Frazier/empty
SS Cozart
RF Bruce
CF Stubbs*
LF empty/Frazier

C Mesoraco
OF Paul
OF Heisey
UTIL
UTIL

Reds need a 3B or LF, but looking more & more like they will leave Frazier at 3B and seek a LF.

Emmanuel Burris, Didi Gregorius, Henry Rodriguez, Scott Rolen (FA) are in house options for the Cairo/Valdez UTIL spots.

*If Reds find a new CF, Stubbs could be history, because I don't think they'll carry three backup OF's and only one IF/UTIL.

Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Chapman
----------
Leake
LeCure
Arredondo
Ondrusek
Marshall
Masset
Broxton
Hoover
Simon
Redmond
Cingrani

That's four extra pitchers. Cingrani will probably start in AAA. So really three. Redmond has two options. I believe Ondrusek does as well. So one more would have to go, and it's not an easy call.
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Let's update. Changes in RED

C Hanigan
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Frazier (with Ludwick back, he's staying at 3B)
SS Cozart
RF Bruce
CF Stubbs*
LF Ludwick

C Mesoraco
OF Paul
OF Heisey
UTIL
UTIL

Emmanuel Burris (FA - SF Giants '12), Didi Gregorius, Henry Rodriguez, Scott Rolen (FA) are in house options for the Cairo/Valdez UTIL spots. Reds are said to be frontrunners for 3B Jack Hannahan. Any one of these men, aside from Burris, represents a SIGNIFICANT upgrade from Cairo/Valdez/Willie Harris/Mike Costanzo/Kris Negron/etc.

*If Reds find a new CF, Stubbs could be history, because I don't think they'll carry three backup OF's and only one IF/UTIL.

Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Chapman
----------
Leake
LeCure
Arredondo
Ondrusek
Marshall
Masset
Broxton
Hoover
Simon
Redmond
Cingrani

That's four extra pitchers. Cingrani will probably start in AAA. So really three. Redmond has two options. I believe Ondrusek does as well. So one more would have to go, and it's not an easy call.
 
I'm worried about the potential signing of Hannahan or the return of Rolen keeping Frazier on the bench another year. I really, really hope that doesn't happen.
 
Rudi said:
I'm worried about the potential signing of Hannahan or the return of Rolen keeping Frazier on the bench another year. I really, really hope that doesn't happen.
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Neither of those guys would start over Frazier. Especially Hannhan, who has always been a bench guy aside from one year in Oakland.

I think Rolen recognizes that if he comes back, it's in the Cairo CI role.

Also, I think if Hannahan signs, that will spell the end of Rolen anyway. The bench would be Mesoraco, Heisey, Paul, Hannahan, ???. The last spot would have to go to a middle infielder. Hannahan plays 3B almost exclusively, and you have Frazier to back up 1B.
 
Say goodbye to Drew Stubbs & Didi Gregorius, say hello to Choo & Jason Donald.

Changes in RED

C Hanigan
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Frazier (with Ludwick back, he's staying at 3B)
SS Cozart
RF Bruce
CF Choo
LF Ludwick

C Mesoraco
OF Paul
OF Heisey
UTIL Donald
UTIL

Emmanuel Burris (FA - SF Giants '12), Henry Rodriguez, Scott Rolen (FA) are in house options for the last UTIL spot. Reds are said to be front runners for 3B Jack Hannahan. Any one of these men, aside from Burris, represents a SIGNIFICANT upgrade from Cairo/Valdez/Willie Harris/Mike Costanzo/Kris Negron/etc. Walt Jocketty said today that the Reds are still shopping to fill this role, so clearly they are not thrilled with the current options.

Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Chapman
----------
Leake
LeCure
Arredondo
Ondrusek
Marshall
Masset
Broxton
Hoover
Simon
Redmond
Cingrani

That's four extra pitchers. Cingrani will probably start in AAA. So really three. Redmond has two options. I believe Ondrusek does as well. So one more would have to go, and it's not an easy call.
 
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