Another Reason Why I Think Freeman > Sanchez

[BigBucs]

Long time no see guise. Board has changed a bit but some things stay the same :smug:

Sheer luck buoyed Mark Sanchez's stats
By Tim Graham

New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez showed notable growth in his sophomore season, flipping his touchdown-to-interception ratio from deplorable to dependable.

As a rookie, he threw 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Last season, he recorded 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. His passer rating increased 12.3 points.

Numbers often can be misleading. Randomness aided Sanchez considerably.

Football Outsiders game-by-game research concluded Sanchez led the NFL -- by far -- in dropped interceptions.

Sanchez had 15 of them, three times as many as his rookie season. He had six more dropped interceptions last year than the closest quarterbacks, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

Sanchez made 507 pass attempts, far fewer than Palmer (586) or Manning (679). Sanchez threw an interception or had one dropped on 5.5 percent of his throws.

His combination of interceptions and drops were lower as a rookie. Only five of them were dropped for a total of 25, but they accounted for 6.9 percent of his 364 attempts.

The other three AFC East starters added together didn't have as many dropped interceptions as Sanchez.

New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady won the MVP award in large part for his absurdly low interception percentage. He threw four all season and none over the past 11 regular-season games. Only five of his 492 attempts were dropped.

Even if all of Brady's misfires had been caught by defenders, he would have posted a respectable 1.8 interception percentage.

Buffalo Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick had 15 interceptions and six more of them dropped on 441 attempts, or 4.8 percent.

Fitzpatrick's predecessor, Trent Edwards, had some of the NFL's worst numbers. Edwards passed 101 times for the Bills and Jacksonville Jaguars. Five of them were intercepted. Three more would-be interceptions were dropped. That's 7.9 percent of his passes earmarked for the opponent.

Chad Henne was Mr. Tough Luck. He led the AFC East and was tied for fourth in the league with 19 interceptions, but only one was dropped. So of all interceptable passes he threw, defenses snagged 95 percent of them.

 

[G-men]

i drank a Pepsi last night with Mark Sanchez' face on it...

where's my Josh Freeman soda?

 

[mgoblue2290]

i drank a Pepsi last night with Mark Sanchez' face on it...

where's my Josh Freeman soda?

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Nobody gives a shit if Freeman is better than Sanchez, if you want to praise your QB then tell me why he is better than Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco, etc.... For real, praising Freeman in comparison to Sanchez won't get any love here, Sanchez is not somebody I would be proud to compare my QB against.

 

[Chrispy]

So this is ur first post in a month?

 

[Aso]

Nobody gives a shit if Freeman is better than Sanchez, if you want to praise your QB then tell me why he is better than Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco, etc.... For real, praising Freeman in comparison to Sanchez won't get any love here, Sanchez is not somebody I would be proud to compare my QB against.

Except that a lot of people actually think/thought that Sanchez is/was better.

 

[Raidersabc123]

Can someone put all these freeman threads in one giant freeman thread than delete that one thread after thank you

 

[Houston]

This was one of those rare occasions where I go into a thread already knowing I'm gonna groan the OP.

 

[StealthShot]

WINS

 

[Survivor]

Nobody gives a shit if Freeman is better than Sanchez, if you want to praise your QB then tell me why he is better than Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco, etc.... For real, praising Freeman in comparison to Sanchez won't get any love here, Sanchez is not somebody I would be proud to compare my QB against.

Let me try and be a voice of reason among the Bucs fans here. I agree that we should raise our expectations of Freeman after his sophomore season, especially if we want respect from the NFL crew here at VSN, but the Sanchez versus Freeman debate is relevant for the sole reason that they were both drafted in the first round in 2009. Hell, it'd be nice if we could add Stafford to the comparison, but he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Thanks to the New York media we get to hear about the Sanchize far more than he deserves, and that makes a Bucs fan ask why Freeman isn't getting the credit he deserves after what he did in Tampa this season.

I'll admit that Freeman still has a ways to go with his accuracy and decision making, but his poise and maturity are up there with pro-bowlers like Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. We are talking about a 23 year old kid who lead a Bucs team with some real shit talent to a 10-6 record. He created when there was nothing, he kept an immature team composed, he played with ice in his veins in every forth quarter he played. I don't care if they only beat a few teams with winning records; they won games... and that's all because number five took control. You look at a few games like the last one at Atlanta, and you know he has a ways to go, but the talent has been made obvious, and to lulz it off just because FtG is a homer would be silly. Give us a little something. Freeman is a good quarterback, eh?

 

[Survivor]

WINS

Mark Sanchez was chopped down to size in every major statistical category this past season by Josh Freeman, who was the field general of a team that most had winning only two to five games. Most of us would agree that Sanchez has much more talent around him, yet he managed eight less touchdowns, seven more interceptions, and almost a yard less per attempt. Why exactly do you hold on to this claim that Sanchez has ANYTHING over Freeman? This is like saying Dilfer is better than Moreno because he has a ring. NEXXXXT?

 

[StealthShot]

Mark Sanchez was chopped down to size in every major statistical category this past season by Josh Freeman, who was the field general of a team that most had winning only two to five games. Most of us would agree that Sanchez has much more talent around him, yet he managed eight less touchdowns, seven more interceptions, and almost a yard less per attempt. Why exactly do you hold on to this claim that Sanchez has ANYTHING over Freeman? This is like saying Dilfer is better than Moreno because he has a ring. NEXXXXT?

Cool gif....

Yea he has the stats and the arm strength but Sanchez has the right QB mentality. Sanchez was also a "Field General" but Freeman can have all the stats he wants, as long as Sanchez wins im cool with it.

 

[Obst]

This is like saying Dilfer is better than Moreno because he has a ring. NEXXXXT?

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lolwut

 

[Survivor]

lolwut

b: *Marino

 

[NAHSTE]

There are other reasons?

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Let me try and be a voice of reason among the Bucs fans here. I agree that we should raise our expectations of Freeman after his sophomore season, especially if we want respect from the NFL crew here at VSN, but the Sanchez versus Freeman debate is relevant for the sole reason that they were both drafted in the first round in 2009. Hell, it'd be nice if we could add Stafford to the comparison, but he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Thanks to the New York media we get to hear about the Sanchize far more than he deserves, and that makes a Bucs fan ask why Freeman isn't getting the credit he deserves after what he did in Tampa this season.

I'll admit that Freeman still has a ways to go with his accuracy and decision making, but his poise and maturity are up there with pro-bowlers like Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. We are talking about a 23 year old kid who lead a Bucs team with some real shit talent to a 10-6 record. He created when there was nothing, he kept an immature team composed, he played with ice in his veins in every forth quarter he played. I don't care if they only beat a few teams with winning records; they won games... and that's all because number five took control. You look at a few games like the last one at Atlanta, and you know he has a ways to go, but the talent has been made obvious, and to lulz it off just because FtG is a homer would be silly. Give us a little something. Freeman is a good quarterback, eh?

No... Brady and Manning weren't taken in the same round of the same draft, but they deserve and get the comparisons... honestly... I think Freeman is awesome, one of my favorite players coming out of college, but really, nobody gives a shit how he stacks up to Sanchez, they are diff QB's, diff styles, with diff teams and surroundings, it's really useless banter, you have a great young QB, keep him smile and be proud rather than have BB here pounding his chest by showing why Freeman is better than one of the most overrated QB prospects in NFL history, who even blessed with excellent WR's and a great defense still has not got the job done nor posted great numbers. Nobody gives a shit about Mark Sanchez outside of Jets fans, and Bucs fans should be happy they got the better QB with the better pick and not try and make a huge deal out of it.

I mean... if it matters this much to Bucs fans about how much better Freeman is than Sanchez and you would like to boast then why not make some other recent draft comparisons...

Let me tell you why Suh is better than McCoy or...

I'll tell you why Charles Johnson is/was a much better pick than Gaines Adams or...

Why Nick Mangold and Marcus McNeil would of been better picks than Davin Joseph or...

I'll explain why Frank Gore is so much better than Cadillac... even tho I obviously don't have to...

Here's a good one... 2004... I know you remember... let's talk about how Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Bernard Berrian, Jerricho Cotchery and even Patrick Crayton are better picks than Mark Clayton...

I'll go as far as explaining why Matt Light, Kareem McKenzie and Steve Hutchinson ar better than Kenyatta Walker

I mean we can go all day, those are just your round 1 picks off the top of my head really, you have a great young QB, take it and be happy and STFU about it... and Survivor this isn't an attack on you or anything just a point towards BB aka FreemanTheGod whatever the fuck his name is now.

 

[Survivor]

I hear ya... I thought it was an ongoing debate between Jets and Bucs fans here because it was going on the first week I was on VSN seriously... If there is no debate, then I have no qualms. I'll admit when guys like 'Yetta and Michael Clayton sucked and we don't have to discuss it ever again.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Long time no see guise. Board has changed a bit but some things stay the same :smug:

Like you being a fucking dumbass?

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I hear ya... I thought it was an ongoing debate between Jets and Bucs fans here because it was going on the first week I was on VSN seriously... If there is no debate, then I have no qualms. I'll admit when guys like 'Yetta and Michael Clayton sucked and we don't have to discuss it ever again.

No, it's an ongoing debate between bigbucs and anybody that takes the bait, so my post which was completely pointless and absorbed way too much of my time that I didn't care to use was just to hopefully shut it up for another week or two haha Now that I realize... I just took the bait I guess lol

 

[NAHSTE]

I would love to see Freeman's "Dropped Interceptions" total so we could compare, but since Football Outsiders is a piece of shit website with zero credibility, they don't even have the figures available.