Article on Lesnar...

[Warner2BruceTD]

But, anyway please name someone else who has flicked off the fans on top of dissing their opponent after the fight. That's difference enough right there isn't it? Because I can't think of anyone else who has done that.

So let me know if have this straight...it's completely acceptable to talk shit before a fight, to build business, but not after? That's exactly how pro wrestling works, btw.

Tito digs graves after he wins, and uses the dreaded finger. Nate Diaz disrespected an opponent before he tapped, guys do the throat slash, I can go on forvever.

Brock made two "mistakes". He didnt follow the MMA protocol of building fake heat, and he used to be a pro wrestler.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

His actions after the fight against Heath and Mir?

Nothing we havent seen for years in MMA.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Nope, the guy comes off as an arrogant jerk and he suffers the same fate as everyone else who comes off as an arrogant jerk. But, not only that he also disrespected the fans which is even worse now.

I dont take issue with anyone disliking Lesnar, I only take issue with this idea that "pro wrestling antics" didnt exist until he came around, when in reality, pro wrestling antics have been a part of MMA from day 1, because MMA sprung up from pro wrestling.

 

[Steel Mamba]

So let me know if have this straight...it's completely acceptable to talk shit before a fight, to build business, but not after? That's exactly how pro wrestling works, btw.

Tito digs graves after he wins, and uses the dreaded finger. Nate Diaz disrespected an opponent before he tapped, guys do the troat slash, I can go on forvever.

Brock made two "mistakes". He didnt follow the MMA protocol of building fake heat, and he used to be a pro wrestler.

Nothing we havent seen for years in MMA.

Those type of antics are actually pretty rare and again you're comparing guys who are well established in the sport to someone who's still green. Lesnar hasn't earned that type of credibility to do what he did against Frank and not catch a lot of heat for it. If he had a bunch of fights under his belt in which he was professional after the fight then things would be a lot different. This is a guy thats been thrust right into the spotlight from the jump basically and hasn't shown a lot of respect for the sport. Guys like Tito, Nate, etc have all paid their dues and still have earned credit as a sportsman despite some of the BS that they do today.

But, me personally I've always spoke out against the fake bickering pre-fight in order to sell PPVs. I understand it, but I hate it and that's something I've said since BJ/Sherk. The reason why I don't like it is because it takes away from the true rivalries. Rampage/Wand ends up looking like business as usual because guys like BJ going around fabricating beef for every fight that they're in. But, hey if you're going to do it you still better be professional after the fight, especially for a guy that's brand new to the sport. He has a lot to prove in that regard.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Here's another way to look at it. If some guy is just getting out of some gay modeling business and claims that he was in it for the cash and isn't gay, then that particular guy is going to have to bang a whole lot of pussy before anyone believes him and removes that stigma.

Brock can get rid of the Pro Wrestling stigma if he chooses to, instead he has been feeding right into it. Whereas a guy like Lashley pretty much has already defeated that stigma and if he keeps on the path he is now and makes it to a big show then no one is going to hold wrestling against him. Sure, some fighters might bring it up just to talk shit, but he'll still have their respect.

 

[Steel Mamba]

& yes there is a certain stigma that's going to be attributed to Pro Wrestlers, but the key is that the stigma can be defeated. You can compare wrestling to MMA all you want, fact still remains that wrestling is way more dramatic and over the top, which is exactly the way Lesnar has been acting. He gotta be on his best behavior to remove that stigma and separate himself from Pro Wrestling.

If a boxer entered MMA wouldn't a certain stigma be attached to them as well? MMA fans will shun any big time boxing cross-over, I guarantee you that. But, if he stayed humbled and showed respect for the sport eventually the fans are going to respect him. On the flip side if he becomes successful and mouths off about how boxers are superior then the fans are going to hate him. Same philosophy with Lesnar so there’s no need for wrestling fans to be making such a big deal over this.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

& yes there is a certain stigma that's going to be attributed to Pro Wrestlers, but the key is that the stigma can be defeated. You can compare wrestling to MMA all you want, fact still remains that wrestling is way more dramatic and over the top, which is exactly the way Lesnar has been acting. He gotta be on his best behavior to remove that stigma and separate himself from Pro Wrestling.

If a boxer entered MMA wouldn't a certain stigma be attached to them as well? MMA fans will shun any big time boxing cross-over, I guarantee you that. But, if he stayed humbled and showed respect for the sport eventually the fans are going to respect him. On the flip side if he becomes successful and mouths off about how boxers are superior then the fans are going to hate him. Some philosophy with Lesnar so there’s no need for wrestling fans to be making such a big deal over this.

It's not wrestling fans who have the issue, its the MMA elitits, and the media. Both have their heads in the sand, and seem to think Brock has dragged pro wrestling into MMA. It was rooted in MMA long before Brock ever got there. That's really my only point.

 

[Steel Mamba]

But, what can they say if he acts professional after the fights? If you don't want them to criticize you about that then don't give them such great ammunition. No one can say that about Lashley can they? Fact is Lesnar and any big time wrestling star is going to have to work harder to earn their respect in that regard. The same way a boxer would have to work harder to earn their respect as someone who truly appreciates the sport and is truly a well rounded fighter. That’s just life.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

But, what can they say if he acts professional after the fights?

He did after Couture, and also after the Kim fight.

He didnt after Herring or Mir, because he felt disrespected by those guys. Again, i'm confused as to why his opponents can drum up fake heat, yet Brock is the one who is accused of doing the pro wrestling. He's far more genuine than Mir, who was playing pro wrestler during the entire build.

 

[JeremyHight]

I don't see how anyone can complain about Brock considering he has brought more money and attention to the sport we all love. So what if he doesn't kiss and make up after guys run their mouths against him. He just beat their ass, he shouldn't have to. I know, I know, it is the whole honor of the ring thing, but by not doing it, Brock is getting a ton of people talking about him and the UFC.

And Dana would never admit it, but he is still salivating over his new champion. He knows that when Brock fights again, every sports channel will be talking about it beforehand and about how Brock's antics at UFC 100. He knows that all those people will be tuning in to see what he does next and if he really is such an animal. He knows that Brock doing what he is doing equals money.

 

[Steel Mamba]

He did after Couture, and also after the Kim fight.

He didnt after Herring or Mir, because he felt disrespected by those guys. Again, i'm confused as to why his opponents can drum up fake heat, yet Brock is the one who is accused of doing the pro wrestling. He's far more genuine than Mir, who was playing pro wrestler during the entire build.

The whole point I've been making addresses the reason for this. Because he’s from the WWE he’s going to have to work harder than most in order to establish some credibility as a sportsman. Unfair or not that’s just the way it is and the same could be said for a variety of different cross-over fighters for a variety of different bias. With the two big name Pro Wrestlers in MMA one has separated himself from that WWE image, whereas the other has fed into it.

Secondly like you’ve said before, the pre-fight BS is just to sell the fight, usually. Still, there’s a gentlemen’s rule after the fight that you show respect. The first time they fought there was a lot of talking going on, Mir beat him and did not degrade Lesnar after the fight at all. That's the way things are done in MMA. The debate has never been who's more genuine, the debate is about being a sportsman and a pro. In 2 out of his 4 UFC fights Lesnar was not a good sportsman.

 

[MRN]

The reason for most of the people who don't like Lesnar is that they can't stand to see someone new come in and dominate their favorite fighters that they have been watching for years. They can't handle the fact that he is so dominant over MMA, and that their isn't really anyone around who can beat him.

*Disclaimer: I do think that Fedor is the one, and only person who could give Lesnar a good fight, and maybe beat him.

 

[Steel Mamba]

*Disclaimer: I do think that Fedor is the one, and only person who could give Lesnar a good fight, and maybe beat him.

Fedor, Shane Carwin, Barnett, Couture, AA maaybbee if the dude only had a chin, and possibly even Big Nog if he can prove his last performance was due more to his staph infection than his age.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Secondly like you’ve said before, the pre-fight BS is just to sell the fight, usually. Still, there’s a gentlemen’s rule after the fight that you show respect. The first time they fought there was a lot of talking going on, Mir beat him and did not degrade Lesnar after the fight at all. That's the way things are done in MMA. The debate has never been who's more genuine, the debate is about being a sportsman and a pro. In 2 out of his 4 UFC fights Lesnar was not a good sportsman.

...except for the last 6 months or so, when every word out of his mouth was disrespect towards Lesnar.

Please.

I'm not calling Lesnar sportsmanlike, and I'm not saying he should be liked. He probably prefers to be hated.

All i'm saying, is he didnt bring the pro wrestling element into MMA, and its an obvious unfair double standard that is happening here.

 

[Steel Mamba]

I don't see how anyone can complain about Brock considering he has brought more money and attention to the sport we all love. So what if he doesn't kiss and make up after guys run their mouths against him. He just beat their ass, he shouldn't have to. I know, I know, it is the whole honor of the ring thing, but by not doing it, Brock is getting a ton of people talking about him and the UFC.

And Dana would never admit it, but he is still salivating over his new champion. He knows that when Brock fights again, every sports channel will be talking about it beforehand and about how Brock's antics at UFC 100. He knows that all those people will be tuning in to see what he does next and if he really is such an animal. He knows that Brock doing what he is doing equals money.

He's great for the short term success of the sport, but for long term success he's going to need to clean up his image a bit. He can still be the bad guy everyone wants to watch without flipping off the crowd, getting in peoples face after the fight, and dissing sponsors.

The thing is MMA is still battling this image that the sport is unprofessional and barbaric, and well Lesnar's antics doesn't do anything to defeat those criticisms. Dana White does not want a repeat of what Lesnar did at UFC 100. No doubt he wants him as his champ, but not behaving like that.

 

[Steel Mamba]

...except for the last 6 months or so, when every word out of his mouth was disrespect towards Lesnar.

Yeah in light of hyping their next fight. C'mon man.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah in light of hyping their next fight. C'mon man.

But yet Lesnar is the one ruining MMA with his prewres antics....see my point?

 

[Steel Mamba]

But yet Lesnar is the one ruining MMA with his prewres antics....see my point?

Your point would be validated if Mir acted like an ass after he beat Lesnar, but he didn't. No one has brought up an issue with what was said/done outside of the cage between those two. That's part of the point and also the fact about stigmas that you're ignoring and appearantly Lesnar is too, or he just doesn't care.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He's great for the short term success of the sport, but for long term success he's going to need to clean up his image a bit. He can still be the bad guy everyone wants to watch without flipping off the crowd, getting in peoples face after the fight, and dissing sponsors.

The thing is MMA is still battling this image that the sport is unprofessional and barbaric, and well Lesnar's antics doesn't do anything to defeat those criticisms. Dana White does not want a repeat of what Lesnar did at UFC 100. No doubt he wants him as his champ, but not behaving like that.

Flipping off the crowd is wrong, he let his emotion get the best of him.

Dissing Bud Light is a non issue for fans, that shit was funny. That's Dana's problem, I don't see why anyone esle should care.

Getting in Mir's face, again, he had issues with Mir, its not as big a deal as people want to think it is. An hour earlier, a guy took a cheap shot at a defensless man for the same reason, and is painted as a hero. DOUBLE STANDARD.

I agree he was a little bit out of control, but it wasnt contrived, that was emotion. The guy is a dick, that's his personality. The middle finger is something a pro athlete shouldnt do. The rest is no big deal.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Your point would be validated if Mir acted like an ass after he beat Lesnar, but he didn't.

No.

My point all along is that pro wrestling behavior existed long before Brock entered the sport. Fake hatred to sell fights is prowres 101.