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BCS Playoffs..UPDATE 6/5. Pac-12 Commish Larry Scott is fucking awesome

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Over the past few months the talk of a college football playoff has taken a decidedly different turn. Suddenly, head coaches, conference commissioners and university administrators who had previously reacted to the mention of a new postseason format much as they would to a face full of skunk juice are openly throwing out their ideas for a post-BCS world.


Mike Leach said Wednesday that he'd like to see a 16-team playoff in college football -- and maybe even a 64-team model.

They range from tiny to ginormous. There's Big Ten commish Jim "I don't care as long I get to go to the Rose Bowl" Delany's pitch of a four-team format with semifinals at the home stadiums of the higher seeds. And on Wednesday, Washington State coach Mike Leach told Lisa Horne of Fox Sports that there should be a minimum of 16 teams, but here in the midst of March Madness he confesses that he'd really like to see 64.



The one group that has been very quiet during this surge in playoff talk also happens to be the segment of the college football community that would seemingly stand to lose the most if the college game were to graduate to brackets: the men and women who are in the college bowl business. It is a 35-game, billion-dollar industry and, fairly or unfairly, it is seen as the primary force behind the anti-playoff movement.



So what are they thinking as they read and hear the playoff comments? Are they confident about the future? Terrified? Indifferent?




"We are absolutely watching what's going on. Always have been," says Rick Catlett, president of the Gator Bowl Association. "But I also think that anyone in this business knows that there's not a whole lot we can do about it. We are in constant contact with the conference commissioners, the people who will ultimately make the decisions about the future of the game. But honestly, we don't have a lot of influence."



The 16-year leader of college football's sixth-oldest bowl game doesn't say this with a tone of fear or foreboding. Neither did the other half-dozen bowl executives I chatted with this week (on and off the record). No one mentioned extinction. Instead, they concede a curiosity as to where and how they will fit in to whatever format is adopted.



"There's not a lot of sense in worrying about what might or might not happen until it actually does," says Steve Hogan, CEO of Florida Citrus Sports, operator of the Capital One and Champs Sports Bowls. "I think right now if you asked six conference commissioners what might happen you might get six totally different answers. It's too early to even speculate. But I think it's no secret that something different is coming."



He's right. The BCS system as we know it is a dead plan walking. In 2014 it will be replaced by whatever the leaders that Catlett referred to decide on. The good news for bowl executives, and no doubt the reason for their confidence, is that nearly every one of those proposed playoff scenarios still leaves room for bowls, though certainly with some adjustments.

A plus-one or four-team bracket wouldn't really change anything for the bowls, certainly not across the top tiers. Expanded formats would also allow for stand-alone bowls, as would the popular 16-team tournament proposed by the authors of Death To The BCS.



In that plan, as with most, the bowls would continue to be played as complementary games to the playoffs. The demand for winter football will still be there, as it is now. And that means the opportunities for revenue, TV coverage and local economic impact would also still be there. The only difference is that the pool of teams those games would be selecting from would be a little thinner. Ultimately -- and multiple bowl executives brought this up -- that might serve the greater good, because fewer teams to choose from would eliminate the lower-tier bowl games that currently serve no real purpose other than to fuel anti-bowl sentiment.



Some expanded format designs have suggested that bowls could actually serve as the hosts for early round playoff games, as opposed to the best-record home team model. Both Catlett and Hogan, heads of large bowls that would appear to be perfect additions to that kind of format, say they have thought about the possibility and have had conversations on the topic, but don't expect it. "Would neutral-site games work for something like that?" Hogan wonders aloud. "It sure feels like it would put a lot of financial stress on teams and fans." Instead, their focus remains on the possibility of operating largely as business as usual, only fit around a playoff model.

For those larger games, much of the fan and media anger has centered on the bowl business model, whether it's high salaried executives or schools that return home having had to spend much more money than they received from the game payout. Nearly all of the executives I spoke with pointed to a new system -- any new system -- as a chance to improve the image of the system as a whole, whether it's trimming the bottom part of the bowl schedule or continuing the image overhaul that began with the cleaning up of the Fiesta Bowl after its embarrassing scandal.



Nearly all of the bowl executives admitted to wishing the current system would stay in place, referring to the standard arguments of diluting the regular season, no system being large enough to ensure that no worthy team is left out, and the BCS' championship consistency versus the old poll-based model. They also, as a group, were encouraged by talk that a new playoff system will be a longer agreement than the four-year BCS cycles. Said one: "We badly need some lengthy stability, like six years, to establish a foundation and quiet all the noise."



But all remained confident that, no matter what happens and what model wins out, there will be a place for their games going forward.



"There will always be a demand for what bowl games can do," says Catlett. "There's still a chance to create matchups you don't usually see in the regular season. There's still an opportunity to give kids a great experience to end their playing careers with. And there's still a chance for local communities to have an event that they can be proud of. No matter what happens with the postseason, that's not going to change."



"Bowl games have been around for 100 years now," adds Hogan. "The only constant has been change. The bowls have always had a place and have always found a way to survive. I'm confident that they will again going forward."
 
64 would be awesome but is unrealistic. 5 extra games? Where? When? How?

Not to mention the extra injuries.

Juniors and RS Sophomores are going to be bolting for the NFL asap.

You really do nothing to help yourself when discussing sports. 64 teams would not be awesome. There are not 64 teams deserving of a shot at the title plus it is incredibly unrealistic for football. 8 teams works perfectly fine, even 4 or 6 teams would work too.
 
Why should I give a shit what a bowl official thinks about this whole process?

If the dudes at the Fiesta Bowl are any indication, they're all greedy scumbags that deserve none of the pie.
 
Current talks are of a 4 team playoff, which I'm fine with as long as they don't allow coaches to have a say in the voting process and do away with any notion of BCS AQ conferences. There is no reason besides money that a Big East team should have an AQ champion when the MWC hasn't for the last 5 years.
 
Current talks are of a 4 team playoff, which I'm fine with as long as they don't allow coaches to have a say in the voting process and do away with any notion of BCS AQ conferences. There is no reason besides money that a Big East team should have an AQ champion when the MWC hasn't for the last 5 years.

"Fezzik...you did something right for once..."
 
BCS Looking at Four Plans. One Full of Fail.

BCS Looking at Four Plans. One Full of Fail.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...s-focuses-on-four-postseason-plans/53996360/1

Officials weighing changes in college football's Bowl Championship Series are focusing on four options, two of them incorporating a four-team playoff, an outline obtained by USA TODAY Sports shows.


The plans range from a long-discussed "plus one" format — after the bowls play out, selecting two teams to meet for the national championship — to a heretofore undisclosed four-team playoff proposal that could expand the semifinals to preserve a Big Ten/Pac-12 matchup in the Rose Bowl.

In the latter plan, the four highest-ranked teams at the end of the regular season would meet in semifinals unless the Big Ten or Pac-12 champ, or both, were among the top four. Those leagues' teams still would meet in the Rose, and the next highest-ranked team or teams would slide into the semis. The national championship finalists would be selected after those three games.

MORE: Read the document detailing the four BCS options
Also being weighed is a conventional four-team playoff with various playing-site options, one of them placing semifinals in the home stadiums of higher-seeded teams. The BCS also could stick with an amended version of its current format.

The two-page summary was drawn up in advance of BCS meetings in Hollywood, Fla., this month. While it says no options are off the table, it makes it clear the conference commissioners who run the system have pared their preferences to the four. "There is no a leader in the clubhouse," BCS executive director Bill Hancock told USA TODAY Sports, "and frankly, that's just fine at this stage."

Many university presidents are yet to weigh in, he said. Hancock said officials were awaiting feedback out of conferences' spring meetings in May and June, meaning there'll be no final decision from the BCS' April 24-26 gathering in Florida. Current BCS contracts with conferences, bowls and TV carrier ESPN expire after the 2013 season

Looks like nothing bigger than 4 teams. Fuck that.

The Big 10/Pac-12 thing with the Rose Bowl sounds fucking stupid.
 
My issue with only 4 teams is that preseason rankings still pretty much control who has a chance and who doesn't. Outside the Top 10-15? Really not a hell of a lot of a chance to break into that Top 4. Better than the top 2 but with the rankings we all know they are way to heavily favoring to teams rated highly to begin with.

IMO 6-8 teams is the sweet spot with every conference champion getting in being my own personal dream. Make every game for every team count right away.
 
This isn't even a compromise but just more stupidity from the NCAA and BCS. Top 4 isn't a big enough field if they are using the ranking system to determine who gets in. The subjective nature of the rankings is the one of the main problems with the current system.
 
My issue with only 4 teams is that preseason rankigns still pretty much control who has a chance and who doesn't. Outside the Top 10-15? Really not a hell of a lot of a chance to break into that Top 4. Better than the top 2 but with the rankings we all know they are way to heavily favoring to teams rated highly to begin with.

IMO 6-8 teams is the sweet spot with every conference champion getting in being my own personal dream. Make every game for every team count right away.

Beat me to it.
 
It's time to let go of the Rose Bowl traditions. This isn't 1959, and there have been plenty of Rose Bowls in the last 15 years that have not featured the Big 10 vs Pac 10 champ.

The Rose Bowl continues to hold up needed progress for a real playoff. Let these archaic traditions go and let's move forward.
 
It's time to let go of the Rose Bowl traditions. This isn't 1959, and there have been plenty of Rose Bowls in the last 15 years that have not featured the Big 10 vs Pac 10 champ.

The Rose Bowl continues to hold up needed progress for a real playoff. Let these archaic traditions go and let's move forward.

Honestly I watch the Rose Bowl because it's the fucking Rose Bowl on New Years Day with two pretty damn good teams playing in it.

I don't care if it's USC v Mich or Oklahoma vs Florida. Just give me two damn good teams playing in that game on New Years Day while I eat taco pizza
 
I like FT's idea of 6-8 teams making it in ACC, SEC, B10, Big 12, Pac 10 conference champs and maybe 3 At Larges battle it out? But if we're left with 4 i'd rather just keep it the way it is.
 
I like FT's idea of 6-8 teams making it in ACC, SEC, B10, Big 12, Pac 10 conference champs and maybe 3 At Larges battle it out? But if we're left with 4 i'd rather just keep it the way it is.

With the BE becoming poopdick bad 8 teams would be a great step forward. You get 5 conference champs then 3 at larges. Every conference can only have a max of two teams. Etc. The biggest issue here would be game sites IMO. Treat the major bowls as smei final sites to the main game? Or use campus sites.
 
I'd love to see FBS football divisions consolidated into 8 power conferences of 15 teams each. The 8 winners of the new mega conferences are seeded into the championship tournament. The winner of that tournament is the national champ.

The bowl games don't even have to go away either. The current BCS bowls could be rotated around in the championship tournament and all of the stupid fringe sponsored bowls can still invite their conference tie-in matchups for the teams who didn't make the championship tournament.

Boom done. And there's nothing subjective about it either because it removes human bias from the equation.
 
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