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Before the knee injury, was Daunte Culpepper a possible Hall of Famer?

Have to go no on this one. He had a nice stretch, 1 possibly 2 HOF caliber seasons and a couple of crap ones mixed in.

I will say this - Palmer's numbers aren't "much" better, if they are at all (more consistent, though)
 
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Culpepper was probably the hardest qb to physically take down I've seen in recent memory. He'd shed 6-10 sacks a season from guys drilling him full in and Culpepper shrugging it off .

That's the only thing I have to say about him. If you can get into the hall of fame for being kinda tough to bring down I guess the answer is yes.

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And a HOFer whose only qualification was being kinda tough to bring down...
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I think Culpepper was a good player. I think he did benefit from having some good offensive players around him, but so did most good QBs.

Whats interesting about Culpepper is that when you expected him to do bad, he was great. And when you expected him to be great, he sucked. Lets be honest...his first year as a starter in 2000 is one of the best "debuts" in NFL history. As KOF said, no one could bring him down and he had great WRs to throw to. He followed that up with two pretty bad years, and his decent 2003 season is tempered by the fact that he fumbled so much. Thats one of my most vivid memories of Culpepper...him fumbling and the announcer explaining that "he has small hands". But when you thought he was finished, he had an incredible 2004 season with only partial help from Randy Moss.

I view Culpepper to be somewhat like McNabb. His "wild card" was his mobility and strength. Once he lost that, he was a below-average QB. I think even without the knee injury, just the natural aging process would have affected Culpepper's game and his numbers would have nosedived pretty quickly. So with that in mind, I would say Culpepper's realistic possibility for the HOF was pretty low.

That said, Dave isn't THAT far off with his line of questioning.
 
I remember the year he went to Miami, and he was constantly tripping over his own feet and dropping at the slightest of contact. He was a completely different player after Minnesota.
 
I remember the year he went to Miami, and he was constantly tripping over his own feet and dropping at the slightest of contact. He was a completely different player after Minnesota.

When you say "completely different", do you mean "Hall of Fame"?
 
Was he a "POSSIBLE" hall of famer? Yes. Likely? No. Look at the QBs in the league now, who are sure fire hall members? Brady & Manning. Rivers, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Shaub, etc are all "Hall of Good" right now. I don't even think Kurt Warner is Hall material. It takes a full career to get in.
 
Warner owns the three most prolific passing days in SB history, and led two of the most pathetic NFL franchses to the SB three times. Both franchises went right back to dogshit when he left. He's one of the most accurate passers ever, is among the all time leaders in yardage despite only starting for seven seasons, and led the league in yards, TD's, %, and rating multiple times. He's a two time league MVP and a SB MVP.

What else was he supposed to do? That's not a "full career"? Hanging around and playing three more years would have sealed the deal for you? Worry about what he did, not how long it took.
 
Did you watch him with the Giants by chance?

Yeah, he was brought in to keep the seat warm for Eli. He played something like 6 games, they gave the job to Eli, and that was that.

To me, those half dozen games or whatever it was is pretty insignificant considering the rest of his resume. I'll take Warner's career over somebody like Warren Moon without a second thought.
 
Yeah, he was brought in to keep the seat warm for Eli. He played something like 6 games, they gave the job to Eli, and that was that.

To me, those half dozen games or whatever it was is pretty insignificant considering the rest of his resume. I'll take Warner's career over somebody like Warren Moon without a second thought.

Warner was still injured when he played for the Giants. Using that on his HOF resume is unfair.
 
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