Brad Stevens new Celtics head coach.

[1ke]

All of you are missing my point.

Those coaches Larry & dave named are job hoppers..,just like Stevens is now.

Of course he can go back to college with his tail between his legs, like Mike Montgomery or Lon Kruger or pick the college coach fail of your choice. I'm not saying he'll drop off the earth.

I'm saying he had a chance to anchor himself at Butler for life, and become on of those rare iconic coaches that spend a million years at the same program after building it from scratch. Now he's just a mercenary like the rest. He might have a successful career, he could be the next Pitino, or he could be the next Montgomery. Either way, he tossed away a chance at a special legacy for a situation where, lets face it, he is probably going to fail.

I think you're 100% right. I can't disagree....... But that's why I also applaud him for taking thus leap that came out of nowhere.

I guess what I'm sayin is I dig the risk taker in him, because he looked so opposite of the risk taker type.

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[dave]

Coach K and John Thompson comparisons are ridiculous. Both coaches were legends when players played through their senior years. I give Coach K credit, he still pulls off his legend in the one and out era, but bringing Coach K and John Thompson in this discussion is ridiculous.

 

[Villain]

Let me put it this way.

If this was Shaka Smart, I would be 100% on board if he took a pro job. In fact, he probably should take a better job than VCU. VCU will likely fade, they don't quite have the magic Butler had that cemented Stevens as a made guy for however long he chose to stay, VCU is in a ripped apart Atlantic 10 while Butler is in the high profile new Big East, etc.

I think Stevens misread the tea leaves. Short term, good risk. Long term, bad for his career & awful for his legacy.

Shaka Smart was the first person I thought of.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

All of you are missing my point.

Those coaches Larry & dave named are job hoppers..,just like Stevens is now.

Of course he can go back to college with his tail between his legs, like Mike Montgomery or Lon Kruger or pick the college coach fail of your choice. I'm not saying he'll drop off the earth.

I'm saying he had a chance to anchor himself at Butler for life, and become on of those rare iconic coaches that spend a million years at the same program after building it from scratch. Now he's just a mercenary like the rest. He might have a successful career, he could be the next Pitino, or he could be the next Montgomery. Either way, he tossed away a chance at a special legacy for a situation where, lets face it, he is probably going to fail.

You make it sound like "job hopping" is some sort of bad thing...staying at Butler is the easy thing to do. He's already cemented his legacy at Butler. He's got the keys to campus and can fuck any coed without appointment, anytime he wants.

He wants to try something new? I'm not going to hate. The college game will always be there. I mean, would you have said the same thing if he took the UCLA job?

He's a different kind of coach with a different approach than guys like Cal and Pitino...like I said, I'm more interested to see if it'll work. It at least makes the Celtics an interesting team to watch now. I do want to say he's the first head coach in the NBA that has a firm belief in the advanced analytics of the game. Some other hires were made in that vein, but Stevens is a long known proponent of them while some of these other coaches are simply from the system.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I think he'll do fine once they get some talent in Boston.

 

[ralaw]

I agree with W2B. I don't like it when the game's elite coaches leave the college game. As with most, I like Stephens and hope he does well, but the NBA is a different game and animal. With this move Boston must not be planning on being down long, because I am sure they had to throw a haul at him to get him to leave. His ultimate goal must have been to end up in the NBA.

 

[Len G]

Forever hate the Celtics, but it's dope that this nigga is younger than Garnett

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I agree with W2B. I don't like it when the game's elite coaches leave the college game. As with most, I like Stephens and hope he does well, but the NBA is a different game and animal. With this move Boston must not be planning on being down long, because I am sure they had to throw a haul at him to get him to leave. His ultimate goal must have been to end up in the NBA.

NBA & college are so different, that it's barely the same sport.

 

[Glenbino]

As long as Brad knows how to win NO MORE than 13 games next year I like the hire.

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[JimLeavy59]

As long as Brad knows how to win NO MORE than 13 games next year I like the hire.

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Gerald Wallace will lead the Celtics in scoring, they aren't winning 13 games.

 

[G-men]

I think Warner's point is being overlooked by some here. He isn't saying Stevens won't do well in Boston or that he won't be able to be a good coach at a good school again. But what Stevens does by taking this job is eliminate his chance of being one of the all time college coaching greats and legacies. He could come back to the college game and bring some team to win a championship, and everyone will still view him as a really good coach. But that's all he will ever be now: a really good coach. He missed the chance to cement his legacy as one of the all time coaching greats that is synonymous with a program. He could have been a Coach K, Thompson, or Boeheim but now his ceiling in somewhere around John Calipari. Again, Warner's point is that there's nothing wrong with that and it is still a solid career, but he had the chance to go down in history and gave it up.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...7/06/butler-brandon-miller-new-coach/2488257/

34 year old Butler assistant Brandon Miller takes over.

They won't miss a beat. This has Mark Few written all over it. Miller will be a higher profile coach within 4 years than Stevens is. Book it.

 

[Pitty]

I think Warner's point is being overlooked by some here. He isn't saying Stevens won't do well in Boston or that he won't be able to be a good coach at a good school again. But what Stevens does by taking this job is eliminate his chance of being one of the all time college coaching greats and legacies. He could come back to the college game and bring some team to win a championship, and everyone will still view him as a really good coach. But that's all he will ever be now: a really good coach. He missed the chance to cement his legacy as one of the all time coaching greats that is synonymous with a program. He could have been a Coach K, Thompson, or Boeheim but now his ceiling in somewhere around John Calipari. Again, Warner's point is that there's nothing wrong with that and it is still a solid career, but he had the chance to go down in history and gave it up.

itino: disagrees.

 

[Pitty]

DP, not the good kind.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

itino: disagrees.

nope.

using Pitino as your example shows that you completely whiffed on my point

 

[Pitty]

nope.

using Pitino as your example shows that you completely whiffed on my point

Except for the fact that Pitino stunk in the NBA, came back to a team that's always been in the upper echelon, and isn't just considered a "very good" coach. He's arguably the best coach in CBB right now/over the last 10 years.

 

[Senser81]

I think Warner's point is being overlooked by some here. He isn't saying Stevens won't do well in Boston or that he won't be able to be a good coach at a good school again. But what Stevens does by taking this job is eliminate his chance of being one of the all time college coaching greats and legacies. He could come back to the college game and bring some team to win a championship, and everyone will still view him as a really good coach. But that's all he will ever be now: a really good coach. He missed the chance to cement his legacy as one of the all time coaching greats that is synonymous with a program. He could have been a Coach K, Thompson, or Boeheim but now his ceiling in somewhere around John Calipari. Again, Warner's point is that there's nothing wrong with that and it is still a solid career, but he had the chance to go down in history and gave it up.

But wouldn't that be an even loftier height of egotism for Stevens, to think that if he stays at BUTLER he will become the equivalent of Coach K, Thompson, and Boeheim? Thats completely asinine. Butler is a nice program, but its still not a major power. Duke and Syracuse were very good before Coach K and Boeheim, and Thompson's G-town team was in the best bball conference ever. Butler is still nowhere near those institutions in terms of prestige.

You make it sound like "job hopping" is some sort of bad thing...staying at Butler is the easy thing to do. He's already cemented his legacy at Butler. He's got the keys to campus and can fuck any coed without appointment, anytime he wants.

Agreed. But I think Stevens could have furthered his legacy and become more like Larry Eustachy...he's got the keys to every campus and can fuck any coed without appointment.

 

[Glenbino]

Except for the fact that Pitino stunk in the NBA, came back to a team that's always been in the upper echelon, and isn't just considered a "very good" coach. He's arguably the best coach in CBB right now/over the last 10 years.

Pitino was also making the personnel decisions which won't be Stevens' job. I'm sure he'll have an input but he won't be running around unchecked like Pitino did and sign and overdraft/overpay the kids that played for him at UK.

And with the exception of Providence all of the schools Pitino has been had have been high profile schools who brought in a lot more talent year-to-year than Stevens could have ever hoped to at Butler.

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[Warner2BruceTD]

Except for the fact that Pitino stunk in the NBA, came back to a team that's always been in the upper echelon, and isn't just considered a "very good" coach. He's arguably the best coach in CBB right now/over the last 10 years.

^still doesn't get it

 

[ralaw]

^still doesn't get it

You should ask him when he thinks about Pitino what entity comes to mind and when he thinks about Krzyzewski what comes to mind.