Brian Urlacher retires: HOF?

[SuperKevin]

Like who?

Hardy Nickerson, Junior Seau, Levon Kirkland

That's all I can think of

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Like who?

Junior Seau
Hardy Nickerson
Ray Lewis straddled the period
Sam Mills during the early part of the decade.
Jessie Tuggle
Karl Mecklenburg was still good early in the decade.
Levon Kirkland had a very small career peak, but notable.
Chris Spielman
Ken Norton Jr.

Some notables, a guy like Stephan Boyd was well on his way, if not already considered near the top, he straddled the decade a bit and retired early due to an injury.

 

[Glenbino]

Hardy Nickerson, Junior Seau, Levon Kirkland

That's all I can think of

Wasn't Tuggle and ILB too?

 

[Senser81]

Junior Seau
Hardy Nickerson
Ray Lewis straddled the period
Sam Mills during the early part of the decade.
Jessie Tuggle
Karl Mecklenburg was still good early in the decade.
Levon Kirkland had a very small career peak, but notable.
Chris Spielman
Ken Norton Jr.

Some notables, a guy like Stephan Boyd was well on his way, if not already considered near the top, he straddled the decade a bit and retired early due to an injury.

Completely forgot about Stephen Boyd. Anyone remember Derek Smith?

 

[Hasselbeck]

Urlacher without question is a first-ballot HOF'r

 

[Aso]

I don't know about all this first ballot shit. I think you guys are going a little far but definitely in there at some point. How many years did Cris Carter have to wait?

 

[Senser81]

I don't know about all this first ballot shit. I think you guys are going a little far but definitely in there at some point. How many years did Cris Carter have to wait?

Cris Carter was the London Fletcher of 1990's WRs.

 

[FirstTimer]

Junior Seau
Hardy Nickerson
Ray Lewis straddled the period
Sam Mills during the early part of the decade.
Jessie Tuggle
Karl Mecklenburg was still good early in the decade.
Levon Kirkland had a very small career peak, but notable.
Chris Spielman
Ken Norton Jr.

Some notables, a guy like Stephan Boyd was well on his way, if not already considered near the top, he straddled the decade a bit and retired early due to an injury.

Not sure I'd consider all those guys "elite" during the 90's themselves but either way. Thanks. Forgot about some of them.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't know about all this first ballot shit. I think you guys are going a little far but definitely in there at some point. How many years did Cris Carter have to wait?

Yeah, but the point is Carter shouldn't have had to wait.

"First Ballot" discussions are the retarded siblings of sports talk. A player is either a hall of famer, or he isn't. Anybody who says things like "i'd vote for him, but not on the first ballot" instantly loses credibility with me. It's a way for writers to make themselves the story and stroke their own cocks.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Not sure I'd consider all those guys "elite" during the 90's themselves but either way. Thanks. Forgot about some of them.

I think all had periods where they were elite in the 90's. Junior was probably the only overarching elite player of the entire 90's...but the rest all had periods where they were of the best at the position. Some longer than others. Nickerson and Tuggle (two non-Hall of Famers) were probably the best of the rest that spanned the entire 90's. Meanwhile, you had players like Lewis and Mills as guys who were straddling decades but both had periods of elite play in the 90's. Hell, you even had Singletary at the very early portion of the 90's playing at a very high level along with guys like Mecklenberg who were more 80's players. Then you had short periods of elite play like Spielman, Kirkland, Norton Jr.

 

[Senser81]

Yeah, but the point is Carter shouldn't have had to wait.

"First Ballot" discussions are the retarded siblings of sports talk. A player is either a hall of famer, or he isn't. Anybody who says things like "i'd vote for him, but not on the first ballot" instantly loses credibility with me. It's a way for writers to make themselves the story and stroke their own cocks.

I don't think voters should make deserving players wait just for the sake of making them wait, but there are times when a logjam of WRs (C. Carter), DE/OLBs (R. Dent), RBs (Bettis) at one time and not everyone can get in immediately. I think in those cases you have to elect the best guys first, and if you have a Dent making it in before a Greene, or a Bettis making it in before a Martin, or an Irvin making it in before a Carter, then you can debate the first ballot stuff.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Speaking of linebackers not in the Hall of Fame.

Kevin Greene.

Complete bullshit. Nearing Jerry Kramer levels of bullshit.

*drops mic*

 

[Senser81]

Then you had short periods of elite play like Spielman, Kirkland, Norton Jr.

When you say "short periods", do you mean "one and a half seasons" for Kirkland and "one season" for Norton?

 

[bucky]

Yeah, but the point is Carter shouldn't have had to wait.

"First Ballot" discussions are the retarded siblings of sports talk. A player is either a hall of famer, or he isn't. Anybody who says things like "i'd vote for him, but not on the first ballot" instantly loses credibility with me. It's a way for writers to make themselves the story and stroke their own cocks.

Depends on who else is waiting ahead of said player. There have been times I thought someone was a HOFer but given a vote I wouldn't have voted for them just because I thought guys more deserving were still waiting. Hell, Dave Robinson just got in. I would have voted for him back in the 70's. Some think Robinson was GB's best defensive player on those teams. This may be a MINOR point cause I agree with your "if he's a HOFer he's a HOFer". Only so many can get voted in each year.

And definitely YES to Urlacher.

 

[bucky]

I don't think voters should make deserving players wait just for the sake of making them wait, but there are times when a logjam of WRs (C. Carter), DE/OLBs (R. Dent), RBs (Bettis) at one time and not everyone can get in immediately. I think in those cases you have to elect the best guys first, and if you have a Dent making it in before a Greene, or a Bettis making it in before a Martin, or an Irvin making it in before a Carter, then you can debate the first ballot stuff.

You beat me to it. Wasted a bunch of typing. But I did get to mention Dave Robinson.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

When you say "short periods", do you mean "one and a half seasons" for Kirkland and "one season" for Norton?

I think you are cutting Norton a little short. His years in Dallas were very good, leading up to his last season there where he was elite, IMO. Also had a big season in San Francisco once they moved him back inside.

Kirkland, as I stated before, was a really short shelf life, agreed. He did make All-Decade team over some players I thought were more qualified, so he should be noted, at least.

 

[MrBill]

Urlacher should be a first ballot inductee. He had a high rate of production over an extended career.

 

[Senser81]

Kirkland, as I stated before, was a really short shelf life, agreed. He did make All-Decade team over some players I thought were more qualified, so he should be noted, at least.

All-Decade teams are even more retarded than pro bowls. At least with the pro bowl, everyone has the same amount of playing time under consideration (one season). All-Decade Teams are just a somewhat random collection of players from a certain time period that isn't really specific to anything. John Anderson of the Packers made the 1980's All-Decade team at OLB along with Lawrence Taylor. Kind of goofy.

 

[ram29jackson]

something is wrong if you think Urlacher is worthy but McNabb isn't

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

All-Decade teams are even more retarded than pro bowls. At least with the pro bowl, everyone has the same amount of playing time under consideration (one season). All-Decade Teams are just a somewhat random collection of players from a certain time period that isn't really specific to anything. John Anderson of the Packers made the 1980's All-Decade team at OLB along with Lawrence Taylor. Kind of goofy.

You are stretching the truth there a little bit with Anderson. He was an All-Decade second teamer and got one vote (probably a Packers beat writer v. Taylor, with 26 votes). He was on par with Carl Banks moreover Lawrence Taylor.