Carlos Quentin is a douchebag.

[JimLeavy59]

No, I'm not kidding you. Yes, Greinke is a pitcher with great stuff, but what has he actually proven? Cy Young? No. 20-win season? No. World Series MVP or even close? No. Historic stats? No. When the Dodgers announced that signing, my reaction was the same as the Boston Red Sox trade ... are you kidding? The guy has never won more than 16 games in a season and has admitted he has a personality disorder. I am not bashing him for that, but I am also not handing him a $147-million contract.

2009 bro.

 

[EmpireWF]

No, I'm not kidding you. Yes, Greinke is a pitcher with great stuff, but what has he actually proven? Cy Young? No. 20-win season? No. World Series MVP or even close? No. Historic stats? No. When the Dodgers announced that signing, my reaction was the same as the Boston Red Sox trade ... are you kidding? The guy has never won more than 16 games in a season and has admitted he has a personality disorder. I am not bashing him for that, but I am also not handing him a $147-million contract.

Well, he did win a Cy Young....

He's a better pitcher than you give him credit for.

A legit top of the rotation guy and they're at a premium.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Feel free to groan me. Missed that. With a 16-win season?

I don't deny he's a top of the rotation guy, but not on the Dodgers. He's #2 behind Kershaw.

Why are you still going on about 20 win seasons?

 

[dave]

Why are you still going on about 20 win seasons?

I am 47. I thought you knew that.

 

[Goober]

Dave you dumb mother fucker. Get lost. You don't know shit, your cornball level postings are tolerated in the NFL section with the rest of the derps, but not here. If you can't speak about the game at a semi intelligent level then keep quiet.

Real talk. You couldn't tell us what WAR is if I spotted you the Wins and the Replacement.

 

[Primetime]

Please. 3.77 ERA career is 3.77 ERA career. And you groan me in these threads because it's all you have left.

We groan you because you bring up terrible arguments and you're a dumb fuck.

And this is putting it nicely.

 

[Goober]

Please. 3.77 ERA career is 3.77 ERA career. And you groan me in these threads because it's all you have left.

A career spent with Yuniesky Betancourt backing him up at shortstop the entire time. But yeah lets be simpletons and just look at ERA. Even Ruben Amaro is smarter then that. Step outside of your 1960's thinking box, and you might realize that Greinke is a top 10 pitcher in the game, and a true ace. You are fucking dense.

Take your pathetic existence elsewhere please.

 

[Goober]

ERA doesn't take errors into account, and I actually don't dispute he's a top 10 pitcher talent-wise ... but everything tells me I don't give him $147 million. Get back to me at the end of this contract (and I'm a stats geek who believes in PER and WAR) when Grienke isn't worth that investment.

You're not a stat geek, you ignorant fuck. A stat geek wouldn't cite errors and whatever PER is in a debate.

 

[dave]

You're not a stat geek, you ignorant fuck. A stat geek wouldn't cite errors and whatever PER is in a debate.

Please, stop. You are just on a stupid rant.

 

[Goober]

Please, stop. You are just on a stupid rant.

Dave what is PER?

Do you not understand that errors are a subjective stat, and have no correlation with the defensive talent of the player?

 

[Primetime]

Dave what is PER?

Do you not understand that errors are a subjective stat, and have no correlation with the defensive talent of the player?

PER is a basketball stat. That's how out of touch this argument is.

 

[SuperKevin]

ERA doesn't take errors into account, and I actually don't dispute he's a top 10 pitcher talent-wise ... but everything tells me I don't give him $147 million. Get back to me at the end of this contract (and I'm a stats geek who believes in PER and WAR) when Grienke isn't worth that investment.

ERA doesn't account for errors but it certainly allows poor defensive range to affect it. When the guys behind you can't get to balls they become hits. Give up enough hits and you'll see your ERA go up. To say teammates don't factor into ERA is kind of shortsighted.

 

[dave]

ERA doesn't account for errors but it certainly allows poor defensive range to affect it. When the guys behind you can't get to balls they become hits. Give up enough hits and you'll see your ERA go up. To say teammates don't factor into ERA is kind of shortsighted.

Stop it, "war hero."

 

[SuperKevin]

Stop it, "war hero."

Good rebuttal bro

 

[Goober]

ERA doesn't account for errors but it certainly allows poor defensive range to affect it. When the guys behind you can't get to balls they become hits. Give up enough hits and you'll see your ERA go up. To say teammates don't factor into ERA is kind of shortsighted.

Not an error, pitchers fault, right?

 

[SuperKevin]

Not an error, pitchers fault, right?

Of course it is. Pitchers should be striking out every batter.

 

[Price]

 

[NAHSTE]

No, I'm not kidding you. Yes, Greinke is a pitcher with great stuff, but what has he actually proven? Cy Young? No. 20-win season? No. World Series MVP or even close? No. Historic stats? No. When the Dodgers announced that signing, my reaction was the same as the Boston Red Sox trade ... are you kidding? The guy has never won more than 16 games in a season and has admitted he has a personality disorder. I am not bashing him for that, but I am also not handing him a $147-million contract.

Greinke has a Cy Young, and it was one of the best individual pitching seasons in recent memory.

 

[moneyman255]

Not an error, pitchers fault, right?

Betancourt raises you this:

 

[Golden Taters]

I want to pile on with the Betancourt hate, too.

This one ended Endy Chavez's season a couple years back.

Yuni was traded a few weeks later.