Champions League Discussion

[Bigpapa42]

my views are coming from the club's videos and press releases so it's not like i'm just pulling shit out my arse and trying to convince you it's roses ... just not my style

i think there is a year-old article or video on the mcfc.co.uk website where Patrick Vieira talks about emulating Barcelona with the youth academy. and an example of City willing to pay for the 17-19 year olds is where they paid more than Barcelona was willing to shell out for Suarez. the club is obviously looking to be a leader in youth development and i expect it to succeed, in time

and my opinion of patience comes from some interview Al Mubarak did after winning the premiership. he said something about how it is still early and how the club still has a long way to go. since Sheikh Mansour doesn't do many interviews for the club i just go with Al Mubarak to get a feel for how ownership is thinking



... but i'm obviously seeing things through sky blue colored glasses since everyone else and their mother disagrees with my views. so be it

I tend to believe what I see.

I see a club that took the absolutely shortest route possible to success - money. And it did so without regard to any possible consequences. That is not patience.

And I'm talking about clubs committing to a true youth development policy by playing them. Not just spending money on those 17-20 year old players but actually playing them with some regularity. Manchester City does that. Arsenal does that. Barcelona does that. When I see Mancini actually decide to give a 20-year old Abdul Razak a chance to play regularly for the 1st team instead of spending 20m on Javi Garcia, then I'll believe in the commitment to developing youth. Until then, its words and more spent money. Nothing more.

 

[kyhadley]

I'm also of the opinion that unless you are Fergie, Wenger, or Moyes, no manager is making personnel decisions. Like when people credit AVB for bringing in Mata, Cahill and Romeu, I always lol. But yeah, letting Sturridge go was silly.

 

[seaplus]

I'm also of the opinion that unless you are Fergie, Wenger, or Moyes, no manager is making personnel decisions. Like when people credit AVB for bringing in Mata, Cahill and Romeu, I always lol. But yeah, letting Sturridge go was silly.

:yep:

just easy to blame Mark Hughes but i agree

 

[seaplus]

I tend to believe what I see.

I see a club that took the absolutely shortest route possible to success - money. And it did so without regard to any possible consequences. That is not patience.

And I'm talking about clubs committing to a true youth development policy by playing them. Not just spending money on those 17-20 year old players but actually playing them with some regularity. Manchester City does that. Arsenal does that. Barcelona does that. When I see Mancini actually decide to give a 20-year old Abdul Razak a chance to play regularly for the 1st team instead of spending 20m on Javi Garcia, then I'll believe in the commitment to developing youth. Until then, its words and more spent money. Nothing more.

but we are talking about recent efforts whose benefits won't be realized for years (in regards to the youth academy). i acknowledge City's academy hasn't been so great in the past but i see a bright future with what is going on right now.

we'll see what actually happens

 

[kyhadley]

but we are talking about recent efforts whose benefits won't be realized for years (in regards to the youth academy). i acknowledge City's academy hasn't been so great in the past but i see a bright future with what is going on right now.

we'll see what actually happens

It's fair to hope for a bright future, but Chelsea is the perfect template of how things actually work out. It's been almost 10 years so far and I can't think of one youth player that has broke into the team since '03. Things are just barely starting to look up, and even that's not for certain. Luckily for us Abramovich loves/has grown to love Chelsea and I don't see him ever abandoning us. You'd better hope your sugar daddy ends up the same.

 

[seaplus]

It's fair to hope for a bright future, but Chelsea is the perfect template of how things actually work out. It's been almost 10 years so far and I can't think of one youth player that has broke into the team since '03. Things are just barely starting to look up, and even that's not for certain. Luckily for us Abramovich loves/has grown to love Chelsea and I don't see him ever abandoning us. You'd better hope your sugar daddy ends up the same.

fair enough good sir

 

[calgaryballer]

:yep:

just easy to blame Mark Hughes but i agree

Didn't Chelsea poach him on a free, which is why City took them to the tribunal?

 

[mgoblue2290]

Winning the CL better than winning the league?


:nope:

One means you are the best domestic team, the other means you are best of a continent and basically the world. Domestic titles are more grueling, but the competition faced in the CL blows any domestic league out of the water.

 

[wr50l]

One means you are the best domestic team, the other means you are best of a continent and basically the world. Domestic titles are more grueling, but the competition faced in the CL blows any domestic league out of the water.

I had to go way back to find that post you quoted, but I was glad I did, because groaning it was especially satisfactory!

 

[wr50l]

It's fair to hope for a bright future, but Chelsea is the perfect template of how things actually work out. It's been almost 10 years so far and I can't think of one youth player that has broke into the team since '03. Things are just barely starting to look up, and even that's not for certain. Luckily for us Abramovich loves/has grown to love Chelsea and I don't see him ever abandoning us. You'd better hope your sugar daddy ends up the same.

For the Arabs in general it's not about love or interest as much as it's about status. Superyachts are out, football clubs are in.

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

One means you are the best domestic team, the other means you are best of a continent and basically the world. Domestic titles are more grueling, but the competition faced in the CL blows any domestic league out of the water.

I'll repeat myself cause you obviously missed it.

The CL is more prestigious yes but winning the league means more.

The 2 best teams in Europe didn't even make the final last year and the winners came 6th in their own league, I mean look at the year we won it, its a knockout competition at the end of the day and once you get to the quarter finals anything can happen, its a great competition but the best team doesn't always win it. I'm just as proud of our 5 cups as our 18 league titles but I'll take winning the league over the CL anyday it means more.

 

[seaplus]

Told Y'all :smug:

granted, it is one thing to say this and another for it to actually happen in the future ... but pretty much everything i said the past few days has been back up in this press release by City

 

[Fappin Raptor]

I still see CJ is the worst soccer poster on this site.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Told Y'all :smug:

granted, it is one thing to say this and another for it to actually happen in the future ... but pretty much everything i said the past few days has been back up in this press release by City

Press releases from the club itself don't mean that much. And regardless, the club should not be watering down its expectations.

 

[seaplus]

Press releases from the club itself don't mean that much. And regardless, the club should not be watering down its expectations.

but the new club roles and hiring means something. and i didn't see anything in there or anywhere else that indicated the club has watered down expectations

:justsaiyan:

 

[1ke]

I'm confused on what you're saying exactly? Are you saying City are focused on youth in the CL thread? Are you letting the 200 million dollar adults off the hook? Or Mancini off the hook for blowing? In the CL thread, City and Youth policy shouldn't be mentioned unless it involves Ajax.

Good for them tho I guess.

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[seaplus]

we could keep going in circles with this conversation but i understand your desire to talk strictly CL in this thread

feel free to VM or PM me if you'd like to continue the subject and i will try to coherently explain everything i have been trying to state ... it's obvious my previous posts are no better than ancient egyptian hieroglyphics and i apologize for that.

maybe pictures will work better than words, so i leave you with this response

I'm confused on what you're saying exactly? Are you saying City are focused on youth in the CL thread?

:yep:

Are you letting the 200 million dollar adults off the hook? Or Mancini off the hook for blowing?

:nope:

In the CL thread, City and Youth policy shouldn't be mentioned unless it involves Ajax.

:dunno:

Good for them tho I guess.

:tiptoe:

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[Rudi]

1st updated with this weeks fixtures

 

[seaplus]

had a dream Mancini played a 2-back formation
:runaway:

 

[Rudi]

:walker:

Granted I'm well aware City probably aren't advancing barring a miracle...However I still want them to play well today. Should be able to handle Ajax at the Etihads, but we will see. If we win today, I suppose there's still reason to believe since we have Real at home next. Who knows. I just want a better overall showing from the team in a CL game.