Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?

[FirstTimer]

Yeah, the condition being Alabama winning a close game. Thats a scenario where you'd vote for LSU even if they lose, like i said and you denied.

Exposed!

No.

You never asked about a close game. You said "basically if LSU loses". That didn't say "LSU loses a close game". It assumed any LSU loss would result in me voting them #1. Which is not correct.

Keep failing.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

No.

You never asked about a close game. You said "basically if LSU loses". That didn't say "LSU loses a close game". It assumed any LSU loss would result in me voting them #1. Which is not correct.

Keep failing.

"LSU losing" includes if they lose a close game.

:troll:

There is a scenario under which you would vote for LSU even if they lose. Thats all i wanted you to admit.

Now we can tell you how you are stupid for not treating the championship game like a championship game.

 

[FirstTimer]

"LSU losing" includes if they lose a close game.

:troll:

But it's not "basically".

I told you to start a new thread if you'd like to discuss different scenarios.

If you want to go for it.

If not, quit trolling and failing miserably.

Thanks.

There is a scenario under which you would vote for LSU even if they lose. Thats all i wanted you to admit.

I never said otherwise. It is a championship game. The BCS championship game. It's not the AP Poll championship game. They are in no way affiliated with the BCS.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

But it's not "basically".

I told you to start a new thread if you'd like to discuss different scenarios.

If you want to go for it.

Or we can discuss it right here since this would be the perfect thread for that discussion.

I never said otherwise. It is a championship game. The BCS championship game. It's not the AP Poll championship game. They are in no way affiliated with the BCS.

Perfect example of why the AP poll should be disregarded, like you and senser were claiming earlier. Which admits that your own AP vote would be worthless.

If not, quit trolling and failing miserably.

Thanks.

Maybe you should just put me on ignore.

:troll:

 

[FirstTimer]

Or we can discuss it right here since this would be the perfect thread for that discussion.

Actually it isn't.

Start a new one.

Perfect example of why the AP poll should be disregarded,

:yawn:

I never said my vote shouldn't be disregarded. I just said who I would vote for.




Last warning on the trolling.

Srs.

Try me.

 

[FirstTimer]

Got a question. PM me.

Otherwise move along.

 

[Youk]

"LSU losing" includes if they lose a close game.

:troll:

There is a scenario under which you would vote for LSU even if they lose. Thats all i wanted you to admit.

Now we can tell you how you are stupid for not treating the championship game like a championship game.

I think that LSU losing a close game is still a loss. If you lose in the championship game, how could you be given a share of a championship? That just does not make sense to me, at all.

 

[FirstTimer]

I think that LSU losing a close game is still a loss. If you lose in the championship game, how could you be given a share of a championship? That just does not make sense to me, at all.

No one is saying they'd have to share the BCS championship.

 

[Youk]

Srs. I'd vote LSU.

Same mount of losses. Better resume.

Sounds like you are.

Edit: It's funny about all this talk with the thread "topic", when the OP actually changed the topic above his first post to "Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?" right after making the thread, but just couldn't change the topic shown on the forums.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sounds like you are.

bama:

No.

It's not.


Think about it for a few minutes.


No one is saying they'd have to share the BCS championship.

 

[Youk]

bama:

No.

It's not.


Think about it for a few minutes.


No one is saying they'd have to share the BCS championship.

You're an idiot. You're really going to get into semantics on here? You know damn well that everyone here is talking about the AP vote. I know the only way you can act like your correct is to try to troll the shit out of people, but that doesn't always work.

No shit they won't share the BCS Championship Win. I think that's obvious, since if you lose, you obviously can't win. I feel like I'm talking to a child when having to explain that. That's why the topic is about the AP vote. That's why my opinion is that even if LSU loses the game, they shouldn't be awarded a share of the championship. How would they be awarded that? By the AP vote.

 

[FirstTimer]

You're really going to get into semantics on here?

it's not semantics. It's the way the voting actually works.

Please review how the BCS works then come back.

No shit they won't share the BCS Championship Win. I think that's obvious

Apparently not.

 

[Youk]

it's not semantics. It's the way the voting actually works.

Please review how the BCS works then come back.


Apparently not.

Bring something to the table here. If I'm "wrong", then actually explain it if you know it so well. Teach me, because otherwise, you bring nothing to this thread.

 

[FirstTimer]

Bring something to the table here. If I'm "wrong", then actually explain it if you know it so well. Teach me, because otherwise, you bring nothing to this thread.

It's not obvious? In fact I already explained it maybe less than 15 posts ago.

Either keep up or quit acting indignant.

 

[Youk]

So after "learning" about this, I stand by my point that a team that loses the Championship game should not be eligible to win the AP vote for champion. This is entirely possible, no matter the outcome of the BCS game.

The BCS Championship obviously goes to the team that wins the BCS Championship (man, I feel like I'm talking to a child), and the #1 ranking in the BCS standings. That's not the issue in this topic, however.

Since you prefer we stay on topic, this topic is about the AP Championship, which is not tied to the BCS Championship. The AP can vote however they want to, which is what led to the LSU/USC split championship. USC received the AP vote, while LSU received the BCS championship.

If you'd like to talk more about the BCS process, I suggest you take it to another thread, but since we're all trying to talk about the AP vote, maybe you should stick to that.

 

[FirstTimer]

So after "learning" about this, I stand by my point that a team that loses the Championship game should not be eligible to win the AP vote for champion.

Ok?

And I think they should be. Especially if the AP Poll has no say in who goes to the BCS championship game.

It's two separate entities.

Saying the AP vote should be tied to the BCS game which they have nothing to do with at this point is kind of stupid.

Secondly, saying the AP vote shouldn't exist isn't the same thing as saying they should be forced to vote for the BCS winner. Frankly, if any poll should be used in the BCS it should be the AP Poll. Not the coaches.

The BCS Championship obviously goes to the team that wins the BCS Championship

Obvious poster is obvious.

which is not tied to the BCS Championship

Ding ding ding.

 

[Youk]

Ok?

And I think they should be. Especially if the AP Poll has no say in who goes to the BCS championship game.

It's two separate entities.

Saying the AP vote should be tied to the BCS game which they have nothing to do with at this point is kind of stupid.

Secondly, saying the AP vote shouldn't exist isn't the same thing as saying they should be forced to vote for the BCS winner. Frankly, if any poll should be used in the BCS it should be the AP Poll. Not the coaches.

First, thanks for pointing out the obvious that I was obviously being obvious.

:smugusa: (We really need regular smug back)

Ok?

And I think they should be. Especially if the AP Poll has no say in who goes to the BCS championship game.

And there we go! An opinion, where either party could be correct because it's not a stated fact!

How is it stupid? A #2 team beats a #1 team, but doesn't move over the #1 team in the standings? Take the championship portion out of it for a second, forget that we are talking about that. Should a team lose a position after a loss? Yes. Should a team gain a position after a win? Yes, if there is a losing team ahead of them. In the case of LSU/Alabama, LSU's only loss would come to Bama, and Bama's only loss would come to LSU. The fact is, LSU lost and with that, move down in the rankings. It's all about the timing in college football, and a loss in the national championship sure as shit should prevent LSU from winning the AP vote. Would this always be the case? I don't think so. It's just how this year has worked out, that if Bama won, each team would have only lost to each other.

Agreed, I think the coaches poll is ridiculous and used horribly by coaches to position their teams where they need, whether they like to admit it or not. That shouldn't have an effect on the championship.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

It shouldnt matter what poll is used to pick the BCS title game contenders, the point is that 2 teams are selected to play for the championship.

If the AP decides to vote for the loser of the championship game, its stupid and should be considered completely irrelevant.

BCS championship game = crowns a champion.

AP poll = irrelevant poll that doesnt understand how a championship game works.

 

[FirstTimer]

:smugusa: (We really need regular smug back)

Thanks Glen.

And there we go! An opinion, where either party could be correct because it's not a stated fact!

How is it stupid?

Because the AP Poll has nothing to do with determining who the 1 vs 2 team is in that game. This year is an odd deal because of the rematch stuff etc. But it's entirely possible(and I believe happened in 2003) that AP #2 and #3 were in the BCS game..and the #1 and 4 team were in another bowl. The AP #1 won their game....So they stayed #1 in the AP Poll. And that was when the AP Poll was still involved with the BCS. Let alone now when they aren't tied to it.

The AP Poll, if independent of the BCS game should be able to vote for whoever they feel is the NC.

Saying the AP Poll should automatically acknowledge the BCS game winner when they aren't even involved with that game is dumb.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Saying the AP Poll should automatically acknowledge the BCS game winner when they aren't even involved with that game is dumb.

They should, because its a championship game.

Thats like me coming up with a VSN poll after the Super Bowl, and people crown the loser of the game. The VSN poll isnt involved with the SB so they are allowed to pick whoever they want, but picking anyone other than the SB champion would be retarded.