Curtis Martin...

[RyanLeaf16]

WTF was that? Most inappropriate and odd HOF speech. Ever.

Some may say heartfelt and open, I say inappropriate.

EDIT: Ok, it got better at the end, but, I still think the sharing of the abuse and the details was a bit much.

 

[Youk]

No NFL Network for me, have to wait to find a video of it later. Heard it really pretty honest...

 

[krulmichael]

No NFL Network for me, have to wait to find a video of it later. Heard it really pretty honest...

Didn't they show it on ESPN or ESPN 2 as well?

 

[Youk]

Didn't they show it on ESPN or ESPN 2 as well?

Yes...

:kuzzy:

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

his mother in the crowd was saying "why" and "not this story" throughout his speech. that story about the gun to his head...geez

 

[Raidersabc123]

recap?

 

[JayDizzle]

recap?

After he recapped that his Grandmother and Aunt died horribly, he mentioned that he had a gun pointed at his head.

The guy pointing the gun (maybe the Father, dunno), pulled the trigger SEVEN times, each misfiring with no shot.

When the guy shot an eight time, away from Martin's head, the gun went off.

 

[krulmichael]

After he recapped that his Grandmother and Aunt died horribly, he mentioned that he had a gun pointed at his head.

The guy pointing the gun (maybe the Father, dunno), pulled the trigger SEVEN times, each misfiring with no shot.

When the guy shot an eight time, away from Martin's head, the gun went off.

Sounds like a scene from a movie.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

He also went into great detail about how his father beat the shit out of his mother and how he was so grateful that he was there so she had someone to take the pain out on when she was mean to him.

 

[SethMode]

Isn't that a part of who he was? I don't see why it's inappropriate. What would you prefer him say?

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Nothing wrong with talking about an abusive parent and how it shaped him. It is another to go into detail about how your father would punish your mother using scalding water, cigarettes and burning her hair.

 

[SethMode]

Nothing wrong with talking about an abusive parent and how it shaped him. It is another to go into detail about how your father would punish your mother using scalding water, cigarettes and burning her hair.

Is it though? I mean, I get what you're saying, but don't you think it's entirely possible that those experiences helped Martin excel? That is the impression that I got. He went through hell and it taught him to never take anything for granted. I imagine living through it was significantly more inappropriate than just having to hear about it for a few minutes.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Is it though? I mean, I get what you're saying, but don't you think it's entirely possible that those experiences helped Martin excel? That is the impression that I got. He went through hell and it taught him to never take anything for granted. I imagine living through it was significantly more inappropriate than just having to hear about it for a few minutes.

My personal opinion is that it is not the appropriate forum for that kind of speech.

 

[SethMode]

My personal opinion is that it is not the appropriate forum for that kind of speech.

Based upon what? The sanctity of the HOF speech? What would you rather him talk about than his life (and your opinion of how detailed he should go into his life is moot)?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

So, Curtis Martin...definition of lots of very good years equaling a great career?

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Based upon what? The sanctity of the HOF speech? What would you rather him talk about than his life (and your opinion of how detailed he should go into his life is moot)?

That it is a celebration of his career and the person that he has become. As I said before, he could have acknowledged an abusive father and growing up in a difficult neighborhood. There is nothing wrong with that. My issue was with the detail that he provided in the speech. I didn't think it was the appropriate forum in my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. It is my opinion and mine alone. I think that his speech would have been better suited for the rookie symposium, speaking to at-risk youth, etc. I look at Michael Irvin's HOF speech in which he noted his issues as a player and not being proud of some of the things he did. However, he didn't go into great detail about the things that he did. IMVHO it was not the appropriate forum and would have been better suited for another group.

 

[RosettaStoned]

You act like he was talking about assfucking hookers or something.

 

[SethMode]

That it is a celebration of his career and the person that he has become. As I said before, he could have acknowledged an abusive father and growing up in a difficult neighborhood. There is nothing wrong with that. My issue was with the detail that he provided in the speech. I didn't think it was the appropriate forum in my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. It is my opinion and mine alone. I think that his speech would have been better suited for the rookie symposium, speaking to at-risk youth, etc. I look at Michael Irvin's HOF speech in which he noted his issues as a player and not being proud of some of the things he did. However, he didn't go into great detail about the things that he did. IMVHO it was not the appropriate forum and would have been better suited for another group.

It's fine that it's your opinion, I was simply asking what it was based upon. Still, what do you think was inappropriate about Martin going into such detail? It seems that most people in the media were pretty in love with his speech.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

It's fine that it's your opinion, I was simply asking what it was based upon. Still, what do you think was inappropriate about Martin going into such detail? It seems that most people in the media were pretty in love with his speech.

A lot of the print media has been in love with it, doesn't mean I have to be though (and I understand that you are not insinuating that). I also woke up to some local broadcasts with the same opinion as me. I just felt it was too much and I think it came up due to Martin not having a formal speech prepared. Prior to the HOF enshrinement broadcast, he told NFLN that he didn't have a speech prepared and was just going to speak from the heart. Problem is that he aired some "dirty laundry" that involved other people without their prior knowledge and it may be a bit of an embarrassing moment for them. Doesn't mean it was though. I'm just saying that I thought that the parts focusing on abuse and the details involved were not appropriate for the forum. It doesn't make me right, and it doesn't make me wrong, I just felt that while it was well-intentioned, it may have been a little too much.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

You act like he was talking about assfucking hookers or something.

No, Michael Irvin was kind enough to spare us the details of his escapades in his speech a few years ago.