Derrick Rose IS THE BEST PG in the NBA

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I don't think Rose will win the MVP this year based on how the voters take standings into account. In the past 10 years I believe the MVP always came for a 1 or a 2 seed and I just don't know if that will change this year.

Rose is in the the same spot that Durant is in now and where Lebron was earlier in his career in terms of MVP discussion. They play(ed) at an MVP level but will lose votes based on standings.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Where does it say that is the definition of MVP?

The award isn't "Most Valuable Player to their Team"

I always considered it to be more like "if the league put all the players into a draft pool, who would be the first pick?"

Would you honestly take Rose over LeBron?

I figure the league MVP, aka the league's Most Valuable Player, should be the one most valuable to his team.

If it's Most Outstanding Player, Lebron gets it no question IMO. But Rose has carried Chicago the majority of the year without Boozer and Noah and has them as one of the top teams in the league, whereas Lebron has DWade and Bosh there with him.

 

[Esjay]

The MVP isn't the Wooden Award, it's not necessarily the best player in the league.. of course it wouldn't be Rose over LeBron if that were the case.

The voters don't always agree with my opinion of the award, though. I expect LeBron will probably win.

 

[red33]

I completely disagree... The League's Most Valuable Player should go to clearly the best player. LeBron having superior teammates is irrelevant IMO. That is no knock on Rose, because he is legitimately great, but LeBron is on a whole different level.

One thing I hate though, that I've seen a lot of this season is how Derrick Rose has pretty much been given the sole responsibility of the Bulls success. I'm aware that Boozer and Noah have both been out, and have rarely played at the same time, but the amount of time Rose had to play with neither of them was short lived, so it's not like he was all alone. Deng has been consistent as usual, and still is a good player.

But the one thing people seem to completely overlook when it comes to the Bull's success is Tom Thibodeau. I feel like he has more to do with the improvement of the Bulls than Rose's increased scoring. Last season, the Bulls were a middle of the pack defensive team, and this season, their probably one of the top 3 defensive teams in the league.

So is Rose scoring 4 points more a game than last season to do with the Bulls being a much better team than they were? Or is having to score 8 less points a game on average than they did last season more to do with it? Yeah, I know, Rose is one of the players playing defense too, but Thibodeau has brought his team defense mindset from the Celtics to the Bulls, and I think that has the most to do with it.

idk when i read this post a huge HOMER alert pops into my head.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Personally, my MVP would be Amare so far.

 

[NAHSTE]

Personally, my MVP would be Amare so far.

:jonesy:

 

[DoubleDeuce]

:jonesy:

Why not, instead of laughing, give a reason why he shouldn't win?

Look at the Knicks last year. Now look at them this year.

 

[NAHSTE]

Why not, instead of laughing, give a reason why he shouldn't win?

Look at the Knicks last year. Now look at them this year.

I don't think that anyone should win the MVP on a .500 team. The Knicks have the sixth best record in the East, meanwhile the Bulls have the third best.

Sure, Amar'e is "valuable" to New York, but not as valuable as Rose is to Chicago. The Bulls are currently 38-16 and 3rd in the conference despite missing Boozer and Noah for half the season.

 

[ralaw]

I highly doubt James wins the MVP award this season. There are a number of factors that play into that though...specifically he'll lose votes because he plays with Wade/Bosh. Right now the only real legitimate choices would be Rose or Howard and to a lesser extent Durant or James. Stoudemire was playing well, but with Melo coming on board he's going to lose some of the spotlight. If he closes out the season well and the team finishes with a top seed I could see Durant overtaking Rose, because he was everyone's preseason favorite.

I'm not sure people are ready to put Rose in the elite class that an MVP award would provide. However, currently he is playing the best basketball and clearly along with Howard the only real choices right now. Rose has certainly put himself in the Chris Paul/Deron Williams class and I never thought he had the mentality to do so.

 

[zack54attack]

I don't think that anyone should win the MVP on a .500 team. The Knicks have the sixth best record in the East, meanwhile the Bulls have the third best.

Sure, Amar'e is "valuable" to New York, but not as valuable as Rose is to Chicago. The Bulls are currently 38-16 and 3rd in the conference despite missing Boozer and Noah for half the season.

Agreed.

Many people forget that Rose hasn't had Boozer and Noah together for more than 10 games. He's also playing with one of the worst SG's in the NBA in Keith Bogans.

 

[FirstTimer]

The fact that you even say "the Bulls still have Luol Deng" as some sort of positive is groan worthy.

Also, while the Bulls defense has improved your entire post comes off as if you haven't even watched Rose or the Bulls play this season at all.

Rose has improved this season in: Scoring, 3pt shooting, FT shooting, rebounding, assists, blocks, steals, AST-TO ratio. The Bulls have improved as a team yes. But to say or imply Rose hasnt been the biggest catalyst for that is absurd and just plain wrong.

 

[GangstaE]

i think the acquisition of Boozer has been a major catalyst on why Rose has been able to improve so much this season and why the bulls record has improved.

In games played by Boozer the bulls have gone 27-9, when he was gone for that whole month of November and end of October they were only 9-6. slightly better than last years start.

 

[Sportsbuck]

See, there's two different schools of thought on MVP... some think it should go to the most valuable player in the league and some think it should go to the best.

Now to the past 2 years Lebron has been both of those categories so its been an easy choice... but quite frankly, I believe it should go to the most valuable, which is definitely Rose imo.

 

[FirstTimer]

What Chicago fans wanted Deng in the all star game? Deng is an afterthought to me and Deng lovers and the Bulls front office are borderline retarded for overrating him and overvaluing him. I'd like names an addresses of these ass clowns so I can go and punch them in the face and nuts for being so fucking stupid. Deng is the 4th best/most important player on the Bulls team. He didn't belong anywhere near the All-Star game.


You can overlook Roses near across the board improvements all you want and tout James but you have made virtually no argument for James getting it outside that Cleveland got bad. Rose was putting up virtually the same numbers before Boozer came back so mentioning Boozer as some Rose improvement catalyst is off base.

Saying the Bulls were 9 and 6 before Boozer came back means little as well because the Bulls were built to win with Boozer. I know any Bulls fans would rather have Rose than Boozer. Rose is about the only MVP candidate I can really think of right now. Lebron isn't even in my Top 3.(Rose, Howard, Durant). James and Amare are four and five right now. LOL at you having Kobe in the MVP race this year over Rose. That has got to be a joke.

You keep citing that Boozer is such this catalyst for the Bulls turnaround yet you seemingly ignore the fact that while the Heat improved dramatically Lebron also has Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

 

[GangstaE]

Saying the Bulls were 9 and 6 before Boozer came back means little as well because the Bulls were built to win with Boozer. I know any Bulls fans would rather have Rose than Boozer. Rose is about the only MVP candidate I can really think of right now. Lebron isn't even in my Top 3

Well most of the argument in here is because Rose supposedly single handily improved his team's record while Lebron had alot of help with Bosh and Wade. I was just proving that wasnt the case. Sure Rose is an awesome talent and should be looked at for MVP and probably will for many years down the road. But Boozer is a major reason why the bulls are top 3 in the east without him they will be exactly where the knicks are.

So in all both Lebron and Rose have help so why shouldnt they be looked at evenly in the MVP race?

 

[FirstTimer]

Well most of the argument in here is because Rose supposedly single handily improved his team's record while Lebron had alot of help with Bosh and Wade. I was just proving that wasnt the case. Sure Rose is an awesome talent and should be looked at for MVP and probably will for many years down the road. But Boozer is a major reason why the bulls are top 3 in the east without him they will be exactly where the knicks are.

So in all both Lebron and Rose have help so why shouldnt they be looked at evenly in the MVP race?

Ask Rondo.

The only players I'd consider MVP candidates in LeBron's ballpark would be Durant, Kobe, and Howard.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Jose Calderon > Derrick Rose.

 

[FirstTimer]

You're completely missing my point.

No I'm not.

I've already stated I think the MVP should go to the best player in the league. That isn't a ridiculous basis for MVP.

So Lebron should win it from now until.....?

Jordan should have won it every season?

and I honestly don't understand the huge Rose for MVP lovefest going on. I'd put him in the top 10 for MVP, but not the top 5.

bama:

if they wouldn't even be the first player to go in a draft..

Perfect. Let's award MVP based on a hypothetical fantasy draft.

I also don't fully understand the argument of LeBron playing with better players...

You down grade Rose because he got a better coach and Boozer yet don't understand the logic behind pointing out who Lebron plays with?

bama:

 

[FirstTimer]

I knew you'd point that out

Obviosuly.

Because it shoots your argument in the foot.

but I never based my opinion of who MVP is on how good their team is, or how well they're playing.

No, you'd rather base it in part on how bad their former team is. And when a guys team is playing well it's because he has Tom Thibideau and Luol freaking Deng.

I guess to help Rose win MVP he should get traded and have the Bulls tank.

You're ridiculous.

That's kind of the argument implied with Rose. Rose is NOT the best player in the league, so the only reason there is a argument for him to be MVP is because of the improvement of the Bulls.

Ok. So in your opinion who should have won the last 10-15 years worth of MVP's?

I have been pointing out how the improvement of the Bulls cannot be solely attributed to Rose's improvement

And the Heat's improvement is solely because they got James?

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like they didn't get a better coach, a big FA signing, and have an improved Noah.

Newsflash. Noah isn't better this year. In fact he's more hurt and his stats are down.

You're arguing out both sides of your mouth. James goes to a team with better talent and his stats decrease yet he's the MVP because Cleveland sucks now. Rose get's some better talent, but not as good as Lebron's, Chicago gets better Rose's stats increase and Rose isn't even in the Top 5 for MVP?

You're part of the problem with this site and it's "sports discussion". It's brainless.

I'm arguing that LeBron should be MVP because he's the best player in the NBA, which he is, regardless of surrounding talent.

Then don't bring up the surrounding talent he left behind in your first post. And if surrounding talent is "regardless" then you can't bring up Rose's either.

:uglyhammer:

That comment was more tongue in cheek than anything, but it's true

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

You think we should give MVP to players who aren't the best to make it more fair, and not hurt players feelings?

No. I asked you a question and you didn't answer it.

You're acting like LeBron went to the Heat, and his scoring dropped to 18 PPG.

No I'm not. Show me where I framed that argument up.

Just answer me this... Do you think Derrick Rose is a better player than LeBron James this season?

No. Then again the award is most valuable player. Not "best player in the league" and I believe Rose is more valuable to his team than James is to the Heat.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Okay, look, I can understand if you think Lebron should win the MVP over Rose...

But elohfuckingel at Derrick Rose not even being in your top 5 for MVP.