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Do You Think David Stern Fixes Games?

dell71

Enter Sandman
Since the playoffs started, the majority of people thought it to be a foregone conclusion that LeBron & Kobe would meet in the NBA Finals. Many of these same people said openly they thought NBA Commish David Stern would do whatever was necessary to ensure this. Over the years, he's suspected of fixing nearly as many contests as Vince McMahon (Knicks winning 1st lottery, hometown Cavs winning lotto when LeBron was the top prize, Miami Heat winning the title a few years back, etc.). He's the only legit sports commissioner that has to deal with such a perception. Well, much to the chagrin of ABC we didn't get that dream matchup.

So the question is simple: Do you think David Stern really fixes games?
 
Voted no, but for the record David Stern looks like the biggest douche...woulden't you agree?

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Meh...I guess I can see the resemblance.
 
I don't watch a whole lot of nba so Im not the most knowledgeable on the topic. From what I have watched and seen, I don't think he rigs games. I do however believe he has rigged the lottery. Maybe not every year but I believe he has on more than one occasion.
 
No and this is ridiculous. How are the Cavs winning the lottery one of the named things that were fixed? They were the WORST team in the NBA that year and they were continually terrible since 1998 to that point. How could Stern be the one fixing that? You have a better claim at the NFL rigging the draft for the Browns to draft Brady Quinn since they didn't take him at #3 and still got him at #22.

People will always make accusations of something fixed. Remember the NFL two years ago? The Patriots were supposed to go 19-0 and beat the Cowboys in the Super Bowl because that's what the NFL wanted. Then, when the Cowboys got beat, the NFL was supposedly fixing it for Brett Favre to cement his legacy by beating an 18-0 team. Then, when the Giants beat the Packers, it was well, the NFL is fixing it for the Patriots to get 19-0 easy. Then, when the Giants won, it was that the NFL fixed the game and that the refs were cheating, etc, etc, etc. Someone will always say that the commissioner is fixing something because of coincidences or when something great is happening. If anything gave Stern credit, it was when the Magic stomped on the Cavs and ended LeBron vs. Kobe.

Bottom line, David Stern doesn't fix games. One bad call or mishap doesn't mean the game is fixed. It's called human nature. David Stern can't "fix" LeBron's triple-doubles, Kobe's clutch shots, Wade's circus shots, etc.
 
No yet as Rajon-Rondo said, he definitly gives preferential treatment to the better teams or the bigger stars
 
Negative.

I do believe the NBA encourages its refs to give calls to certain teams/players in the NBA tho. Which is some foul shit.
 
Kings v Lakers series made me say yes to this question

Bucks v Sixers was pretty redicolous too

Yes. I don't think he's done it at all recently but there were a few series in the 2000s that I and most people from the outside looking in felt were fixed. I hate when people dropped the fixed thing but in my mind these ones stood out like sore thumbs.

Dallas vs. Miami - 2004 NBA Finals

Kings vs. Lakers - 2002 WCF

Bucks vs. Sixers - 2001 ECF
 
I don't think God could have fixed that CLE-ORL series. That was a beat down.

Do I think he fixes games? I would say that he has in the past. Like game sevens of certain series. I think he might influence referees to let certain things go by certain players.

You can't just say that because we don't have a Kobe-LBJ finals that he doesn't fix games. There was very little he could have done to fix that series.

What I did notice throughout the 2 conference finals were a ton of bogus calls involving free free throws like technicals and clear path fouls going against ORL and DEN. Alot of mickey mouse calls on D12 and Nene as well. Alot of those calls seemed to come from Bennett Salvatore as well (he's gotta be crooked!)

Another thing... how the hell is Dick Bavetta still employed if he's not under Stern's thumb? He's awful, old, slow, blind and dumb. How is he a ref? He must be Stern's main man.

He fails in comparison to Joe Crawford. That guy is god awful.

But Violet Palmer takes the cake. I wanna slap that nappy headed ho.
 
oh and Joe Crawford. He gets fired or whatever and then magically he is re-instated.

Stern: "Hey Joe... want your job back..."
Crawford: "I'm listening..."

and Palmer left the NBA this year btw. Thank god.

This was her final year? Cause she was definitely calling games this year. I fucking hope it was her final year.
 
nice...

Did they announce who the next person in line for her job? They do keep a certan numbers of refs right?
 
last season he rigged for the celtics and lakers like everyone wanted but this year since he knew everyone wanted lebron and kobe he changed it up to make it look like he doesnt rig the shit

Sneaky Fuck

LOL, nothing like making things fit into your conspiracy theory. "OMG finals r fixed!! Kobe v Bron Bron!!" Then it doesn't happen and you claim that it was because Stern wanted to make it look like he doesn't fix games.

The NBA is not rigged, its one of the hardest sports to referee and superstars do get preferential treatment.
 
He doesn't fix games. Like a lot of dudes already said, he does give preferrential treatment to certain players/organizations.
 
I don't think God could have fixed that CLE-ORL series. That was a beat down.

Do I think he fixes games? I would say that he has in the past. Like game sevens of certain series. I think he might influence referees to let certain things go by certain players.

You can't just say that because we don't have a Kobe-LBJ finals that he doesn't fix games. There was very little he could have done to fix that series.

What I did notice throughout the 2 conference finals were a ton of bogus calls involving free free throws like technicals and clear path fouls going against ORL and DEN. Alot of mickey mouse calls on D12 and Nene as well. Alot of those calls seemed to come from Bennett Salvatore as well (he's gotta be crooked!)

Another thing... how the hell is Dick Bavetta still employed if he's not under Stern's thumb? He's awful, old, slow, blind and dumb. How is he a ref? He must be Stern's main man.

I've said this before: when the "favorite"-underdog (the underdog that everyone wants to win) gets "questionable" calls against them, they get magnified much more because of who they're playing against (case and point, you point out the fouls on Orlando and Denver, not LA and Cleveland). There were bogus calls on both sides of the ball on both teams. One in particular was when Fisher and Martin tangled up before a jumpball and Martin was called for the technical when Fisher made the first move. They caught Martin's reaction though and called it on him. Later in the game, a similar tangle happened (I can't remember the players at the moment), but the Lakers were assessed the technical and not the Nuggets.


Yes. I don't think he's done it at all recently but there were a few series in the 2000s that I and most people from the outside looking in felt were fixed. I hate when people dropped the fixed thing but in my mind these ones stood out like sore thumbs.

Dallas vs. Miami - 2004 NBA Finals

Kings vs. Lakers - 2002 WCF

Bucks vs. Sixers - 2001 ECF

There was ONE specific incident in Dallas/Miami and that was the "backcourt no-call" on Dwyane Wade that got Dirk and Cuban heated. That's mainly it other than the clock running down about 3-4 seconds during a timeout in, I believe, the same game. But, that Josh Howard timeout is all on the Mavs. Other than that, the Heat won the series.

Kings and Lakers series wasn't rigged. Kings vs. Lakers Game 6 was rigged. I wanted the Kings to win that series because I believed that was the best match-up for the Nets to win and the Kings were just flat out better. I also really liked that Kings team. However, Game 7 wasn't rigged. The Kings just lost that game. But let me tell you this: Horry doesn't hit that three in Game 3 (which was tipped to him by Divac), this isn't a discussion. Stern can't rig that three pointer.

You have no argument for Bucks/Sixers. Ray Allen bitched because he played for a "low-market" team, the refs favored the Sixers, which is bullshit. The Sixers were just better than them. The MVP in AI, defensive player of the year in Mutumbo, and 6th man in Aaron McKie. That team was just clicking. AI tore their asses up in that Game 7. People made a huge deal about the lane violation in Game 1 because the Bucks "should have stole one". Oh, and because Mutumbo shook David Stern's hand after Game 4? There's nothing wrong with that, players do it all the time.
 
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