Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[Palooza]

Enough about Brett Favre, he's the worst.

 

[NAHSTE]

You're constantly defending a pill popping alcoholic who holds his team hostage every offseason, stopped working out 4 years ago, sucks horribly at the moment, and texts unsolicited pictures of his dong to girls 20 years younger than him that aren't his wife ....

and I'm the asshole? I'd say Brett's the asshole, but that's just me not having his cock in my mouth.

 

[Palooza]

I've noticed nothing but complete douchebaggery from you since I returned.

That makes it your fault.

 

[MrBill]

VSN - Where Brett Favre gets his cock sucked by two dudes everyday.

Must not be very good at it since nobody in this entire thread has said he is the GOAT. Maybe you could give some pointers?

 

[killgod]

Brett Favre is synonymous with INT.
I cant imagine anyone picking him as there playoff QB. Worst great QB Ive ever seen in big moments. A decade of consistently screwing his team over for no reason other than him trying to show off his arm. Many of those games the INTs were absolutely needless throws.

No clue how Starr would do but Id pick him in "one game" or "one drive" situation based only on my inability to imagine how any big name QB could do worse when his team needs him most.

At least Marino had the dignity to throw his picks in the 1st and 2nd quarters. GB fans had to endure his one man exits over and over. I dont care whether or not his teams were good enough. Not an excuse. Your teams good enough to get you swollen regular season stats and a playoff game theyre good enough to keep you from throwing bad passes against many of the same teams you faced earlier that year.

Favre is a top 15 all time QB no question not taking away from his MVPs and 90s performances.But if you ranked the top 20-25 all time...and let me pick who I want to lead my guys in a big game. Favre would likely be dead last.

Yep, I think it's an undervalued point in these discussions.

In the top flight QB's I've witnessed first hand, (all of the 90's and 00's) none of them gave away games because of stupidity/selfishness/whateveryouwannacallit like Favre did....and Favre does it often.


I've seen Brady/Manning play more than any of the great QB's I've seen in my day and I can't think of one instance where either QB, in a key moment of a game, roll out to a side and wing one over the middle hoping to win the lotto. Yet, I could put a highlight reel together of Brett Favre doing shit like that.

Brady/Manning do play aggressive, do take chances and let their playmakers try and make plays. You don't have the success/numbers these guys have posted without doing it. But they also understood game situations, understood that sometimes the risk isn't worth it all the time, etc. Favre never showed this was relevant to him and I really hold that against him when I try and rank these QB's among each other.

As I've said earlier, isn't winning everything in football? So shouldn't the factors of a QB's play in regards to winning, be most important?

Championships are more of a team accomplishment, but general winning and winning consistently really have much to do with how well a QB plays to win. Brady and Manning are winners. Favre is not a winner.

 

[MrBill]

Championships are more of a team accomplishment, but general winning and winning consistently really have much to do with how well a QB plays to win. Brady and Manning are winners. Favre is not a winner.

He's 188-113 as a starter in the regular season and 13-11 in the playoffs. He broke Elway's all time win record in fewer games. The Packers won more games than any team in the league during his 16 years as a starter there.

You don't like him, that's fine and even understandable. But to say he isn't a winner is going to be hard to back up.

 

[killgod]

He's 188-113 as a starter in the regular season and 13-11 in the playoffs. He broke Elway's all time win record in fewer games. The Packers won more games than any team in the league during his 16 years as a starter there.

You don't like him, that's fine and even understandable. But to say he isn't a winner is going to be hard to back up.

Poor choice of words on my part.

He's not a winner like Brady and Manning are winners.

He's a loser when Brady and Manning are not.

Better?

 

[Senser81]

Poor choice of words on my part.

He's not a winner like Brady and Manning are winners.

He's a loser when Brady and Manning are not.

Better?

What has Manning won that Favre hasn't won?

 

[shag773]

What has Manning won that Favre hasn't won?

The title of GOAT by W2BTD...

 

[MmmmBeeeeer]

What has Manning won that Favre hasn't won?

Super Bowl MVP, Pro Bowl MVP

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The title of GOAT by W2BTD...

True.

Its posted on his mantle, right next to his MVP's and SB trophy.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think some of you are being a bit too hard on Favre. He had a run in the mid to late 90's as good as anyone ever. He even managed to play at an MVP level for the first 2/3 of 08 and all of 09, well past his prime.

Favre is a victim of sticking around so long that his legacy is hurt. That and the penis thing. And the Wranglers.

 

[NAHSTE]

I think some of you are being a bit too hard on Favre. He had a run in the mid to late 90's as good as anyone ever. He even managed to play at an MVP level for the first 2/3 of 08 and all of 09, well past his prime.

Favre is a victim of sticking around so long that his legacy is hurt. That and the penis thing. And the Wranglers.

And ... the several game ending INTs in the postseason.

 

[ralaw]

I still don't understand why Tom Brady doesn't get more respect in topics such as this. The guy has 3 SBs and is pushing for another and it's not as if he was the caretaker of an offense on those teams. I was pretty young during Montana's prime, so I don't remember much of him; however, isn't Brady closer to Montana than he is to Aikman?

 

[shag773]

isn't Brady closer to Montana than he is to Aikman.

Yes, I would say so..

 

[bucky]

What has Manning won that Favre hasn't won?

For me Senser, it's not a matter of how many, cause TEAMS win or lose. It's more how did the QB play in those wins/loses and how did that QB play at crunch time. And Brett had a history of very poor decisions at the most critical times in crucial games.

 

[bucky]

I think some of you are being a bit too hard on Favre. He had a run in the mid to late 90's as good as anyone ever. He even managed to play at an MVP level for the first 2/3 of 08 and all of 09, well past his prime.

Favre is a victim of sticking around so long that his legacy is hurt. That and the penis thing. And the Wranglers.

It's a little more than that. He had a very good run for 3 years in the 90's, but even with his great run in 2009, he still made the huge mistake at the most critical time in the NFCC game. And he has been doing that kind of thing in the playoffs since 98.

So give him credit for some great regular season years, and for the 96 playoffs, and for playing at a fairly high level in most of his 20 regular seasons, but you have to look at the entire body of work. You can't just discount 12-13 years of careless decisions in playoff games.

When I evaluate Brett, I look at all of it.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I think some of you are being a bit too hard on Favre. He had a run in the mid to late 90's as good as anyone ever. He even managed to play at an MVP level for the first 2/3 of 08 and all of 09, well past his prime.

Favre is a victim of sticking around so long that his legacy is hurt. That and the penis thing. And the Wranglers.

Im not sure a whole decade qualifies as "sticking around".

His like a stretched out version of Kurt Warner. At least he had the decency to stfu and dissappear during his down years before returning to form.

BTW Thats another QB Id take 100x over Favre in a big game.

I still don't understand why Tom Brady doesn't get more respect in topics such as this. The guy has 3 SBs and is pushing for another and it's not as if he was the caretaker of an offense on those teams. I was pretty young during Montana's prime, so I don't remember much of him; however, isn't Brady closer to Montana than he is to Aikman?

No.

Hes a mirror image of Aikman. 3 Superbowls with teams where he didnt have to bear the burden of winning the games. Just make the 10-12 key passes and not throw picks.
Brilliant post season starts. But never as good as you'd think when the defenses and running game weren't helping out.

Brady,Aikman,Bradshaw , Starr all are very similar in what they were asked to do and what they accomplished.

Favre , Elway , Manning ,Montana ,Marino etc are on another tier because those guys did MVP type things with nowhere near the help and were THE difference between winning and losing.

Its like comparing a BestBuy salesman to a small business owners in terms of responsibility.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

sup

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He's reached the Michael Jordan level, where you could resonably give him the MVP every single year. Some of his teams have been very suspect over the years. The Colts seemingly are never able to stop the run, and have years where they can't run the ball at all. They had a K for years who always missed the big kick. It's not hard to imagine the Colts being a 5 or 6 win team certain years, had they not had Manning.

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