Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[JimLeavy59]

i would take farve over manning any day.

manning has proven time and time again that he can be beaten in the big games. wait until he has to go up against the pats in the post season...assuming he makes it that far

Big games and Brett Favre don't mix.

 

[MrBill]

Big games and Brett Favre don't mix.

Peyton Manning 9-11 career playoff record, Brett Favre 13-11.

 

[ram29jackson]

Cancelled out by the fact that I've never seen Manning play either.

what cave you live in ?

 

[JimLeavy59]

Peyton Manning 9-11 career playoff record, Brett Favre 13-11.

:wtf!:

 

[JeremyHight]

I like Elway and he definitely did a lot with a little for a long time in Denver. However, I struggle to put him at the same level as Montana and Manning. That isn't saying he isn't one of the best ever, but again, when trying to pick a GOAT, you are going to critique every detail and he just doesn't match up in my opinion.

The funny thing about Montana is that he put up numbers in terms of YPA, QB Rating, and Completion Percentage that are comparable to Manning's. This was in the 80's and early 90's, while Manning is doing it in easily the friendliest passing era of all time. Even more amazing is that when Montana went to the playoffs and faced the best teams in the league, his numbers actually went up in a lot of cases. Manning's? Oh, those dropped off dramatically (although he has been improving them as of late).

If I had to choose a QB to play 16 regular season games, I would take Manning. I don't think anyone can contend that he is the best regular season QB of all time. If I had to take a QB to play in the Super Bowl, I wouldn't take him over the likes of Montana and it wouldn't even be close. You can argue all you want about championships being a team achievement and I completely agree. But when you look at Montana's stats when it is lose and go home against the best teams in the league vs Manning's stats in those same situations, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Montana is the better QB.

 

[Tengo Juego]

Still hasn't passed Favre for career TD's or yardage.

Peyton's not 40 yet. Could break both of those should he play out, even a portion of, his current contract.

 

[Bear Pand]

Still hasn't passed Favre for career TD's or yardage.

Favre only owns those records due to longevity.

He had 10169 career passing attempts. Manning throws touchdowns at a higher rate per pass and gains yardage at a higher rate per pass.

Manning is on pace to break the TD record with ~8760 passing attempts. He's only 17 TDs away. He'll likely break it next season and do so with like 1400 less passes.

It'd take him like 1.5 seasons to break the passing yardage record, we'll see if he plays that long. Again he'd be doing it on a less amount of throws than it took Favre.

And that's before we mention has a real shot of breaking both of Favre's records while not coming within 100 INTs of Favre's career interception record.

Better hop Manning wins a SB and retires or it's over for your boy.

 

[ram29jackson]

Favre only owns those records due to longevity.

He had 10169 career passing attempts. Manning throws touchdowns at a higher rate per pass and gains yardage at a higher rate per pass.

Manning is on pace to break the TD record with ~8760 passing attempts. He's only 17 TDs away. He'll likely break it next season and do so with like 1400 less passes.

It'd take him like 1.5 seasons to break the passing yardage record, we'll see if he plays that long. Again he'd be doing it on a less amount of throws than it took Favre.

And that's before we mention has a real shot of breaking both of Favre's records while not coming within 100 INTs of Favre's career interception record.

Better hop Manning wins a SB and retires or it's over for your boy.

and Manning owns his due to QB friendly passing rules. Stop trying to qualify crap. They are all the greatest, they are all top tier . Things just don't work out for the ultimate prize for everyone

 

[Len B]

He'll play two more years and break them.

Not saying it's really a bad thing, but this guy obviously cares about individual honors.

8 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's the last two games. Throwing in obvious 'run' situations to make sure he got there and put it out of reach from any other QB.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

What kinda maniac would take Favre over Manning.
Favre also 1-1 in the SB not as good in the regular season , and almost comical his last decade of play in important games. The single most lasting image of futility in the 00s was Favre randomly throwing away a playoff game for no apparent reason.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Manning and Elway aren't in the same sentence. Elway never pissed down his leg in playoff games.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

God, the Elway revisionist history is the worst.

Elway played arguably the two worst SB games in history, then a couple of years later did absolutely nothing in an embarrassing performance in an AFC Championship game at Buffalo that the Bills tried to hand them on a silver platter (10-7 final).

Even in the first SB win, Elway was a 50 year old glorified game manager by that point, and did not play well at all. He had five shots at the SB, and never had a great game. His career TD/INT is 3/8 in the SB.

Nothing makes people's memories shorter than winning some RINGZ. Manning's career playoff numbers smoke Elway. His rating is 10 points higher, and people tear Manning apart for his low postseason QB rating.

You can be critical of Manning's playoff performance if you want, but enough of this Elway revisionist history bullshit. Dude choked in the playoffs on a consistent basis and doesn't have as many great playoff performances as "the guy who pisses down his leg".

Can we stop pretending Elway was some god like playoff performer?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Still hasn't passed Favre for career TD's or yardage.

Don't worry, that bump is coming.

 

[dave]

IMO, you simply can't compare today's QBs to QBs of yesteryear because the rules are just so damn different.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

IMO, you simply can't compare today's QBs to QBs of yesteryear because the rules are just so damn different.

Except we can!

There are stats that normalize numbers based on the offensive environment of the era.

And even when adjusted for the increased offense, Manning absolutely smokes a guy like Elway so convincingly that the only way to formulate a pro argument for Elway against Manning is anecdotal fuzzy memory bullshit.

I'm going to attempt to explain this, but i'm probably wasting my time, since it's hard enough to get baseball fans to understand shit like this, and baseball fans compared to NFL fans in terms of sophistication is like comparing modern man to neanderthals.

100 is average. 110 would be 10% better than your peers. 90 would be 10% worse than your peers. The same as OPS+ or ERA+ in baseball.

We'll stick with the basics, but even the others don't look good for Elway, so let's quit while we're ahead:

ELWAY
Yards per Att: 104
Comp%: 101
TD%:102
INT%: 107
QB rating: 105

Manning
Yards per Attempt: 115
Comp %: 120
TD%: 120
INT%: 108
QB rating: 120

Again, these numbers are normalized so you can compare across eras. The work is done for you.

Manning smokes Elway in the regular season to the point it's a squash match, and he has better overall playoff numbers no matter what myths people tell you.

So if your argument is Elway > Manning, you are basing it on 2-5 in the Super Bowl vs 1-1 the Super Bowl. Let's be more sophisticated that that.

 

[dave]

I am not arguing that Elway is greater than Manning, my argument is more Montana vs. Manning.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I am not arguing that Elway is greater than Manning, my argument is more Montana vs. Manning.

Fair.

To me, Manning vs Elway isn't even close.

 

[dave]

Fair.

To me, Manning vs Elway isn't even close.

Absolutely agree. I suspect even Elway himself agrees.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Montana>Manning>Brady>Favre>Young>Marino>Brees>Eli>Elway.

In truth Elway is barely better than Big Ben. Time will tell the truth as his dick-riding-fans begin to forget the theatrics of it all. He was never the best QB in any season. Never started an All-Pro Game. The only SB's he won were after he got the worlds best RB at the time. And he was foreshadowed by most of the people on my list his entire career. And I'll debate this and win. Just accept now.

I haven't even gotten into the old guys Unitas, Baugh, Staubach, and I could even make a debate on Bradshaw if you want to lean on playoff/SB successes.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

To me Elways magic was being on a team of mediocre talent and just owning defenses in late season games and in clutch situational spots. But even just that Marino Manning Montana did it better. Maybe it's the letter M. John Melway probably wins 5 superbowls.

 

[JBregz]

I'd say its more like

Montana
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Manning
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Rest of the elite level QBs (Elway, Unitas, Brady, etc.)

How old are you?