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ESPN Power Rankings: Top Ten Players in the NFL

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/27930/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-players


1. Tom Brady, New England Patriots
2. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts
3. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
4. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers
5. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers
6. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings
7. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
8. Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans
9. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers
10. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
10. Andre Johnson, Houston Texans


Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? It's the debate of the moment in today's NFL. Which superstar quarterback is the best? Who, between that pair of excellent, future Hall of Fame signal-callers, would you pick if you had the choice? That's not the question that was asked of our Power Rankings panel this week, but it turned out to be the one we answered.

Yes, after weeks upon weeks of power-ranking everything we could think of in the NFL, we've decided to throw all qualifiers and designations out the window and make it very simple: Who are the best players in the league?

As was the case when our panel was asked to rank the league's top quarterbacks, Brady beat out Manning for the top spot in this week's power rankings. Six of the eight NFL bloggers polled ranked Brady No. 1 overall, and the two who didn't -- Mike Sando and Paul Kuharsky -- ranked him second behind Manning. The top four players in our rankings and seven of the top 10 (of the top 11, technically, since Michael Vick and Andre Johnson tied for the No. 10 spot) all play the same position -- quarterback -- which says a lot about the way we value that position.

"Quarterback is the most significant position on the field and can make the difference between a lopsided losing record and the playoffs," said AFC East blogger Tim Graham, whose ballot had quarterbacks in each of the first seven spots and eight of 10 overall. "It takes a truly special running back or defensive player to outweigh the importance of a quarterback. For example, Adrian Peterson is a sensational player. But without Brett Favre producing at quarterback, Peterson couldn't carry the Vikings to the playoffs."

So the question then became which quarterback was the best. The debate these days seems to be squarely between Manning and Brady, though two of our eight bloggers did rank Manning third on this week's list. We'll get to them in a minute. We'll start with the majority opinion -- that Brady is the best player in the league right now.


I was one of the six who ranked Brady in the top spot, and the main reason was that I think Brady has attained a level of excellence in New England that's beyond what Manning has been able to attain in Indianapolis. Brady's accomplishments in 2007, when he combined with Randy Moss to set all kinds of offensive records and went undefeated until losing the Super Bowl to the Giants, were all-time legendary. But what people may not realize (perhaps because of the ludicrous level at which Brady excelled that year) is that the past two seasons have been the second-best and third-best statistical seasons of Brady's career. If Brady hadn't hurt his knee in the first game of the 2008 season and missed the rest of that year, it's very possible he would be on the kind of run right now that would make a Brady-Manning debate seem silly.

After the Patriots traded Randy Moss in the middle of 2010, the question was whether they were giving up on the season. What they were doing instead was committing to a midseason overhaul of the offense that wouldn't have been possible without the confidence they had in Brady to manage it. All Brady did was muster the second-best completion percentage and second-highest touchdown-pass total of his career while throwing just four interceptions and winning at least 14 games for the fourth time.

Not everybody agreed, however.

"Manning is simply asked to do more than any player in the league is asked to do," Kuharsky said. "He's superb at it. I love Brady. But Manning can do more, is asked to do more, and has to do more. Jim Caldwell is an OK coach so far. Bill Belichick is an all-time great. The guy making up the gap in order to have the Colts stay in range of the Patriots is Manning."

But the Colts really weren't in range of the Patriots this year, and for that reason Manning's star has dimmed in the eyes of a couple of our panelists. NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert ranked Aaron Rodgers No. 2 and Manning No. 3. And NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas ranked Saints quarterback Drew Brees in that No. 2 spot ahead of Manning.

"I'm not trying to diminish Peyton in any way. He's going to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. But, if you look at his numbers and Brees' numbers over the last three or four years, they're similar and, in some ways, Brees' numbers are better," Yasinskas said. "Brees and Manning each have won one Super Bowl title. My argument is that, right now, Brees is even more valuable to the Saints than Manning is to the Colts. Times change and circumstances change. But right now I think Brees is the perfect quarterback for the Saints and is in the perfect situation with their offensive system and coaching staff. In fact, I considered voting for Brees No. 1 overall, but couldn't quite bring myself to rank him ahead of Tom Brady."

Steelers safety Troy Polamalu, who came in first in the defensive player power rankings, ranked fifth on the overall list. AFC North blogger James Walker ranked Polamalu fourth, and Seifert ranked him fifth. Walker's ballot was the most generous overall to defensive players, as he ranked Polamalu fourth, Cowboys pass rusher DeMarcus Ware fifth, Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis eighth and 49ers linebacker Patrick Willis ninth.

Walker and Kuharsky (who ranked him 10th) were the only ones who ranked Ware at all, and Kuharsky seemed a little chapped about it.

"If we rate these quarterbacks so highly, how can we not rate the guy we said was tops at disrupting quarterbacks highly too," Paul asked. "Makes no sense. I had him too low at 10. For six of you guys to leave him off entirely dents your collective credibility. Next I imagine you'll say the E Street Band isn't the all-time best backing band."

Paul is grouchy.

"I value pass-rushers, and no player has more sacks the past two seasons than DeMarcus Ware (26.5)," Walker said. "Getting to the quarterback is the best way to combat the league's increasing number of pass-happy offenses, and no one does it better right now than Ware."

The highest-ranked offensive player who wasn't a quarterback was Peterson, who came in sixth after being named on five of eight ballots. Sando, Walker and AFC West blogger Bill Williamson left the Minnesota running back off their ballots -- the third time in three tries that Williamson has ranked Peterson lower than most of the rest of us did.

"This is a quarterback league and that's how I built my top 10," Williamson explained. "There were only three non-quarterbacks on my top 10. After I constructed the quarterback rankings, I went to the best available non-quarterbacks, and the list was quite short. But to reiterate, this is the top 10. The best of the best. I think Peterson is probably a top-15 guy and that’s pretty good in a league of 1,800-plus professionals."

Pretty good indeed. But as Bill said, it's a quarterback league. And for that reason, the debate about the best player in the league came down, once again, to Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady.


Others receiving votes:

12 Demarcus Ware -- -- 10 -- -- 5 -- --
13 Clay Matthews -- -- 9 -- 7 -- -- --
13 Darrelle Revis 8 -- -- -- -- 8 -- --
15 Patrick Willis -- -- -- 10 -- 9 -- --
15 Roddy White -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 8
17 Larry Fitzgerald -- -- -- -- 9 -- -- --
17 Matt Ryan -- 9 -- -- -- -- -- --
19 James Harrison -- -- -- -- -- -- 10 --
19 Joe Thomas
 
Lots of QB bias. When 7 out of the 10 players are QBs would've made more sense to just make a top 10 QBs list.

Then 9/10 players on offense.

Also weird how the AFC South blogger is the one campaigning so hard for Manning, while the NFC North blogger put Rodgers at #2, NFC South blogger put Brees at #2 (and considered putting him at #1). Lol at being a division homer.
 
Another list overrating the Steelers. No way Roethlisberger is a top ten player, and Polamalu is not the best defensive player in the league. I hate to say it as a Giants fan, but if any defensive player should be ranked, it should be DeMarcus Ware.
 
Another list overrating the Steelers. No way Roethlisberger is a top ten player, and Polamalu is not the best defensive player in the league. I hate to say it as a Giants fan, but if any defensive player should be ranked, it should be DeMarcus Ware.

Troy Polamalu DPOTY Trophies = 1
DeMarcus Ware DPOTY Trophies = 0
 
Michael Vick?

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What's to edit?

Eh nothing I guess. Turns out Ware doesn't have a DPOY as awarded by AP. I was looking at some other half-assed group that gives out the award every year. Either way, Shayn is still being a raging Steelers homer like always, and this is possibly the stupidest list of power rankings ever created so it's pointless to debate much in the first place. Oh well ... carry on.
 
Roddy got an 8th place vote from the NFC South homer who put Brees above Manning.

Ryan got a 9th place vote from the guy who had 8 QBs on his list, the most of any writer. The 8th best QB is the 9th best player in the league? Nah.

Outside of that they didn't get any votes.
 
Roddy got an 8th place vote from the NFC South homer who put Brees above Manning.

Ryan got a 9th place vote from the guy who had 8 QBs on his list, the most of any writer. The 8th best QB is the 9th best player in the league? Nah.

The 8th best QB isn't the 9th best player in the league, but Matt Ryan is the best QB that is the 2nd best player in the league :smug::redsmug::smugdog:
 
Lots of QB bias. When 7 out of the 10 players are QBs would've made more sense to just make a top 10 QBs list.

Then 9/10 players on offense.

Also weird how the AFC South blogger is the one campaigning so hard for Manning, while the NFC North blogger put Rodgers at #2, NFC South blogger put Brees at #2 (and considered putting him at #1). Lol at being a division homer.

Everyone knows Offence wins championships.


:uglyhammer:
 
Eh nothing I guess. Turns out Ware doesn't have a DPOY as awarded by AP. I was looking at some other half-assed group that gives out the award every year. Either way, Shayn is still being a raging Steelers homer like always, and this is possibly the stupidest list of power rankings ever created so it's pointless to debate much in the first place. Oh well ... carry on.

I'm starting to think you're the largest homer on this site.


Coming close to taking J.Hens place. You may want to settle down.

OK listen up guys. I want to settle this right now. I'm not a homer. I may be the most humble poster on VSD. After the Steelers lost the SB I came on here congratulating G.B. fans, telling them they deserved it. I also bashed Big Ben for raping that chick a year .5 ago. I'll talk shit about how our CB's suck outside of Ike who is pretty good but not great himself. Basically I'm saying I'll admit my teams faults, and if a player is average I'll be the first to tell you. I love football, the NFL. I mean I honestly get excited for every game, every team. I honestly like every team, and I don't rate Steelers players higher just for being a Steelers player. I'm not on the Steelers payroll.

I say this because for the most part, on this site anyhow, there is so much contempt and hate for everything Steelers. This is important to read before I continue, so I'll bold it.

I really don't know how to say it without sounding like a homer. If I were an Oakland Raiders fan I'd still argue that Troy is the best defensive player in the league. I'm not taking anything away from Ware, who I've recently defended as the best outside linebacker in the game (Yes even better than James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley. I know, shocking.)

I've seen two people now on this forum in the last two months, try pass off one player or another as a DPOY trophy winner (Senser&NAHSTE) when they weren't, in an attempt to devalue a Steeler player. In both arguments, a Steeler beat out said player. Harrison beat Ware for DPOY in '08, Troy beat Mathews last year. Simply stating facts doesn't make me a homer.

A raging homer spreads fiction not fact. A raging homer will disregard everything else and overvalue his own players. I don't do that. You won't see me argue for Big Ben on this list. A top 10 QB list, yes I'll argue him there, but no he's not one of the top 10 players in the NFL. Then again I also don't think there should be so many QB's on this list. More Defense!!!

If I was going to argue any defensive player to put on this list it would be Patrick Willis, who IMO is the best linebacker in the league without a doubt. Or Revis who's the best CB in the league. Ware should be on the list also.

Troy on the other hand, IMO he's the best defensive player alive, hands down. Troy has been in the race to win DPOY three times now, and finally won it this year. Him owning the DPOY trophy should tell you he's the best defensive player in the NFL right now. He's just so dominating. The Steelers had one of the best defenses in NFL history last season, and it's been proven that without Troy the Steelers defense goes from Historical to average. Not just from great to average, I mean historical. I'm talking about a defense that for years go come will be touted and discussed as a top 10 or better defense of all time, and without Troy, well our defense just isn't nearly as good.
 
LOL at NAHSTE trying to be smug, finding out he was wrong, and then saying Shayn is a homer for correctly pointing out that Troy P has a DPOY award.

I think a lot of non-Steelers fans would put Troy P pretty high up on their lists.
 
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