Gina out drew Kimbo on Showtime

[Liquidrob]

Lets see, UFC 101 (which hard an ok card) vs SF (which had 4 title bouts):

Price
UFC: $44.99
SF: ~$1, depending on deals and whether or not you canceled the service immediately.

Buys
UFC: ~800,000, but no exact numbers yet
SF: 576,00

Title Fights
UFC: 1
SF: 4

Hmm... so lets see, SF did 4 times the title fights at 2% of the price and wasn't even able to beat UFC 101. But Rob, keep on sucking SF's dick, cause after all, you are fair an unbiased.

why are you insulting me now?

what does UFC 101 have to do with this? The article is showing the numbers for that night, this thread was mainly for Gina's numbers against Kimbo's, the UFC was mentioned in the article that I didnt write because they did the 'counter programming', not Strikeforce

Also, there were only 3 title fights, but that really doesnt matter and doesnt have anything to do with this thread

 

[JeremyHight]

The article is showing the numbers for that night, this thread was mainly for Gina's numbers against Kimbo's, the UFC was mentioned in the article that I didnt write because they did the 'counter programming', not Strikeforce

So, let me get this straight, you are saying this thread is purely about Kimbo vs Gina, even though the first reply to this thread was by you stating:

Quote:
So on average, one out of every 26 homes with Showtime watched Carano/Cyborg while only 1 out of every 49 homes with Spike watched UFC 100 rebroadcast.
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Strikeforce drew 3% of its available viewers.

UFC drew 2% of its availabe viewers.

If this was purely about Kimbo vs Gina, why did YOU make it UFC vs SF? Am I missing something?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Jeremy is all kinds of win in this thread..

 

[Liquidrob]

So, let me get this straight, you are saying this thread is purely about Kimbo vs Gina, even though the first reply to this thread was by you stating:



If this was purely about Kimbo vs Gina, why did YOU make it UFC vs SF? Am I missing something?

The thread was about Gina/Kimbo hence my thread title

The article had the UFC numbers because they counter programmed, I added other quotes to show a different side of the numbers because you cant just look at 2 mill vs 500k and tell the whole story

I still dont see the reason for insulting me, but whatever

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The thread was about Gina/Kimbo hence my thread title

The article had the UFC numbers because they counter programmed, I added other quotes to show a different side of the numbers because you cant just look at 2 mill vs 500k and tell the whole story

I still dont see the reason for insulting me, but whatever

Hes calling you out for what you constantly deny you are. You are extremely sensitive as of late.. between denying this, accusing me of stalking you, and not resulting in saying "why are you insulting me" because Jeremy is bringing solid points, you have definitely had your panties in a giant bunch as of late.

Lmao @ saying the thread is about Gina vs Kimbo but blatantly trying to point out the SF VS UFC 101 comparison, then getting defensive when Jeremy talks about EXACTLY that. You are in over your head sometimes old man..

 

[JeremyHight]

The thread was about Gina/Kimbo hence my thread title

The article had the UFC numbers because they counter programmed, I added other quotes to show a different side of the numbers because you cant just look at 2 mill vs 500k and tell the whole story

I still dont see the reason for insulting me, but whatever

So again, you wanted this thread to be purely about Kimbo vs Gina, so you purposefully derailed it before anyone could reply by making sure everyone knew that SF had beaten UFC, despite being outdrawn 4:1? I don't follow.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Lets see, UFC 101 (which hard an ok card) vs SF (which had 4 title bouts):

Price
UFC: $44.99
SF: ~$1, depending on deals and whether or not you canceled the service immediately.

Buys
UFC: ~800,000, but no exact numbers yet
SF: 576,00

Title Fights
UFC: 1
SF: 4

Hmm... so lets see, SF did 4 times the title fights at 2% of the price and wasn't even able to beat UFC 101. But Rob, keep on sucking SF's dick, cause after all, you are fair an unbiased.

How many people do you really think did that with SHO? I'm not even so sure that every provider would even allow that, I'm sure most will lock you in for at least a month. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people who do not get SHO did not watch the event, minus the guys who watched at a friends house or whatever. Now if the original StrikeForce card had remained in tact then I'm sure the numbers would have been even better, as that card would not have been a bad $25 PPV. Actually do these ratings even include the people who may have purchased this as a PPV?

So, again you're comparing a card with half the marketing $$ of the UFC that's broadcast on a premium network. It's going to be hard to draw everyone in under those circumstances and everything the card went through, and afterall many UFC fans would rather watch TUF than good fights in other orgs. So, all that said these numbers are pretty good.

 

[Liquidrob]

So again, you wanted this thread to be purely about Kimbo vs Gina, so you purposefully derailed it before anyone could reply by making sure everyone knew that SF had beaten UFC, despite being outdrawn 4:1? I don't follow.

They didnt 'beat the UFC' because the UFC was a rerun and they already made there money off the PPV and I never said they did beat the UFC, the article compared the numbers and showed what the numbers meant, it is up to you to decide if they were good or not

I said the numbers were great and you said they were terrible, we dont agree on that

 

[Liquidrob]

Here are my quotes in this thread

huh? I'm just reporting what the numbers are, the article put the UFC into the mix

These are direct quotes, the numbers are the numbers and are interesting to compare

I bought UFC 100 and 101, I support the UFC

Just putting 500k to 2 million doesnt tell the story, Showtime compared to Spike, a rerun compared to a live show, etc...

Also the thread title was for Gina vs Kimbo on Showtime, I didnt write the article

I think the numbers are interesting, I cant remember, but I dont think the UFC counter programmed really against Kimbo/Tank, I believe they ran a Chuck special if my memory is correct

Kimbo averaged like 511,000 with no real counter programming

Gina did 576,000 up against the UFC's rerun of there biggest show ever

Frank vs Diaz did 364,000 against a rerun of UFC 94

Gina is a bigger casual fan draw than Frank, but Frank gets about 2,000 more to come to the Shark Tank and watch in San Jose

I made the title, I wanted to show that Gina out drew Kimbo/Tank on Showtime

lol @ those numbers weren't good, those numbers were excellent and the highest Showtime has ever done

Of course it was a rerun, but this was the 'counter programming' that the UFC did, its the total picture I was looking at

Those numbers are great and Kimbo's 511,000 viewers on Showtime is one of the big reasons that CBS put MMA in Primetime and Kimbo as the headliner

Also, Showtime just doesnt go off ratings, they go off subscribers also because it is a premium channel

Anyone breaking down these numbers says they are great, I dont know how someone could say they were terrible

I am trying to have a discussion of the numbers and someone tells me 'keep on sucking SF's dick'?

 

[Senser81]

Kimbo would beat Gina in a fight.

 

[Liquidrob]

Kimbo would beat Gina in a fight.

The ratings would be great

 

[JeremyHight]

Here are my quotes in this thread

I am trying to have a discussion of the numbers and someone tells me 'keep on sucking SF's dick'?

Again, Rob, follow this line of discussion:

1. You make a thread comparing the draws of Kimbo Slice and Gina Carano.
2. Before anyone can respond on topic, you immediately post a series of stats that make it look as though StrikeForce clearly had the better of UFC in the head to head, despite the UFC being a replay and getting 4 times the amount of viewers.
3. People start comparing StrikeForce and UFC.
4. You say that you wanted this to be about Kimbo and Carano.
5. I post a look at UFC 101 (the last UFC PPV) and Strike Force: Carano vs Cyborg (the last StrikeForce PPV).
6. You then wonder what UFC 101 has to do with anything.
7. I point out again that you made this into a UFC vs SF thread by posting your "statistics".
8. You try to claim all you were doing was looking at the numbers of Kimbo vs Gina.

 

[Liquidrob]

Again, Rob, follow this line of discussion:

1. You make a thread comparing the draws of Kimbo Slice and Gina Carano.
2. Before anyone can respond on topic, you immediately post a series of stats that make it look as though StrikeForce clearly had the better of UFC in the head to head, despite the UFC being a replay and getting 4 times the amount of viewers.
3. People start comparing StrikeForce and UFC.
4. You say that you wanted this to be about Kimbo and Carano.
5. I post a look at UFC 101 (the last UFC PPV) and Strike Force: Carano vs Cyborg (the last StrikeForce PPV).
6. You then wonder what UFC 101 has to do with anything.
7. I point out again that you made this into a UFC vs SF thread by posting your "statistics".
8. You try to claim all you were doing was looking at the numbers of Kimbo vs Gina.

I posted the series of stats because someone already broke them down in another thread on the UG and did the math, thats why they were in quotes and th 2nd post

 

[Liquidrob]

how about this, I post a thread that about the numbers from Saturday night which is a good topic and thought people would be interested in

I get called anti-UFC for posting those numbers than told to 'keep sucking Strikeforces dick'

 

[Liquidrob]

From Bloodyelbow

Carano vs. Cyborg Sets Showtime MMA Record, But Gets Smashed By UFC 100 Replay
by Luke Thomas on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT in News 58 comments

"Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg" drew an average audience of 576,000 viewers. The UFC replay drew nearly four times that with two million total viewers, Spike TV officials today confirmed with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).

Strikeforce's Aug. 15 event was one of the biggest shows in the promotion's history and featured the long-awaited Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos vs. Gina Carano title fight. As with other competitors, the UFC and Spike TV ultimately decided to counter-program the broadcast.

Strikeforce's event averaged 576,000 viewers (and peaked with 856,000 for the night's main event at midnight). UFC 100 averaged two million viewers, and it's 1.8 rating (513,000 viewers) was the highest-rated program in the male-18-34 demographic during its timeslot.

Spike TV’s telecast of UFC 100 (originally airing on pay-per-view July 11) drew more Men 18-34 (513,000) than anything else on television on Saturday, August 15. Airing from 10:00pm-12:30am ET/PT, the telecast drew 2 million viewers, a 1.8 rating in Men 18-34, a 1.7 rating (950,000) in Men 18-49, and a 1.5 household rating.

The telecast bested heavy sports competition during the day in the advertiser-coveted demographic of Men 18-34:

UFC 100 (Spike TV) – 513,000

PGA Championship (CBS) – 479,000

MLB Baseball (FOX) – 242,000

Strikeforce (Showtime) – 181,000

The good news for Strikeforce is that this event did more than double the ratings than their previous show on Showtime (and if my math is right, it's also the highest-rated non-UFC MMA event ever after beating Slice vs. Tank at 522,000 viewers). And given how paltry the media build up was until the last few days prior to the event, there's no way to not consider the numbers here a success.

But it's a Pyrrhic victory of sorts. The better question is: sure the numbers were great, but how much better could they have been? There's no denying that the UFC 100 replay likely took away substantial viewers overall and in more notably key male demos. There's a legitimate debate to be had about whether the UFC is rallying the base with counter programming or if they're actually depriving competitors of would-be viewers, but the sheer volume of MMA television watchers on Saturday evening makes it hard to suggest Strikeforce came out unaffected.

While the Carano vs. Cyborg fight usurped and benefited from media attention, the UFC-Spike TV tandem proved formidable again. The UFC's loyal and active fan base as well as Spike's relatively large exposure demonstrated the enormous numbers that can be pulled with little more than word of mouth and week-long advertisements on the network. Unequivocally, the success of the counter programming practice further cements the idea it can consistently serve as a ratings draw for Spike TV, making the likelihood this practice will continue all but inevitable.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

Kimbo gonna out draw everyone when he headlines a free Fight Night on Spike

 

[Liquidrob]

So Gina on Showtime outdrew Kimbo/Tank compared to when Kimbo/Tank was on Showtime, but Kimbo/Tank's Showtime numbers weren't mentioned?

if you're interested, this are some numbers I found for Showtime MMA shows, pretty accurate, may vary a little

1) Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott: 511,000 viewers

2) Frank Shamrock vs. Phil Baroni: 365,000 viewers

3) Shamrock vs Diaz: 364,000 viewers

4) EliteXC Return of the King: 350,000 viewers

5) Frank Shamrock vs. Cung Le: less than 300,000.

 

[Liquidrob]

Kimbo gonna out draw everyone when he headlines a free Fight Night on Spike

yeah, he more than likely will

this UFC 100 wasnt really 'counter programming', it was easy and just a reun, no planning, the only time the UFC aired a live UFC free on spike was against Affliction's PPV which dented there numbers

I dont think they will do that for a Showtime fight, they really dont need to, a replay can get the job done

The real question is will the UFC do it against a CBS card? Or will they wait to see if Strikeforce will do a PPV down the line, Coker said that could be 6-9 months away

Not sure if they will go head to head with CBS with a free UFC Spike because they wont risk getting beat, not saying they will, but they could going by past numbers

 

[Liquidrob]

Live Gate numbers

The event, which drew 13,976 spectators and a $735,710 gate at the HP Pavilion, marked the first time a women’s bout headlined a major event in the U.S.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

This thread is full of ignorance, and i don't mean that to be offensive. Anyone who thinks that's a shitty rating dosent understand the television business, or how ratings work.

That's not a good number for Showtime, that's a GREAT number. Showtime, Strikeforce, and Gina Carano all come away from this as HUGE winners.

Saying UFC beat them 4:1 is silly, because Spike is a powerful basic cable network that reaches 90
million+ homes, while Showtime is a premium service with a fraction of that number. Strikeforce actually beat UFC in the overall household ratings, 1.8 to 1.5.

UFC was also a big winner, outdrawing every other sport that day, in all the demos that matter.

The night was a big win for MMA as a whole, in reality.