Hall Of Fame Players Today

[strahanfan92]

Yeah I'm only considering players that are locks for the HOF. Players with complete HOF resume's. Like Brees, he's got great numbers, a ring, he looks very very close but I'm not exactly sure. Earlier I had him on my list, but I don't know if he doesn't need a few more years.

Brees is not a hall of famer.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Brees is not a hall of famer.

Agreed. I think that was my point. I don't think he's a HOF'er at this point in his career. He has a good start, but he definitely needs more years of success.

 

[FirstTimer]

Not sure Brees will have enough years left in him to make the run. Yeah I know I may be in the minority on this but I still feel like his shoulder will become an issue again sooner than later.

 

[tigstah]

I'm going to put Jason on the list. 6x pro-bowls, 3x All-Pro. DPOY '06. He'a slo 8th in sacks with 132.5 career sacks, as many as Lawrence Taylor. 5 less sacks than Richard Dent, 9 less than Strahan. He's had a long productive career with few down years.

that one year with the skins, i would say was a year off....

 

[Senser81]

I'm going to put Jason on the list. 6x pro-bowls, 3x All-Pro. DPOY '06. He'a slo 8th in sacks with 132.5 career sacks, as many as Lawrence Taylor. 5 less sacks than Richard Dent, 9 less than Strahan. He's had a long productive career with few down years.

It is kind of interesting to compare Taylor to Dent. Taylor played longer, but he only had 9 (IMO) truly productive years, whereas Dent had 10.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DentRi00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylJa03.htm

They are very similar in their sack totals. Dent had a couple more "big years" than Taylor, but Taylor had some good seasons himself. I didn't think Dent should have made the HOF, but I subjectively think he was the better player than Taylor. Taylor was a great pass rusher and a hustle guy, but Dent was incredibly strong for his size and could stop plays at the point of attack.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Not much you can say about Taylor you cant say about Simeon Rice. Rice pressured the QB more consistently ,Taylor got more pub. Neither did much against the run for many years IMO. Although Rice was the bigger liability.

To beat a dead horse...if Haley who was a bigger force than either of those guys , and a 5 time SB winner on 2 dynasties isnt in the Hall I giggle at a Taylor HOF lock.

 

[Esjay]

Not much you can say about Taylor you cant say about Simeon Rice. Rice pressured the QB more consistently ,Taylor got more pub. Neither did much against the run for many years IMO. Although Rice was the bigger liability.

To beat a dead horse...if Haley who was a bigger force than either of those guys , and a 5 time SB winner on 2 dynasties isnt in the Hall I giggle at a Taylor HOF lock.

Big thing I think a lot of guys forget .. a lot of guys seem real easy to put in the HOF until you look at who ISN'T in. No way Taylor deserves to get in before Charles Haley.

Only aided by jerking off in front of grown men!

 

[SuperKevin]

Shane Lechler is without a doubt a hall of famer

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Big thing I think a lot of guys forget .. a lot of guys seem real easy to put in the HOF until you look at who ISN'T in. No way Taylor deserves to get in before Charles Haley.

Only aided by jerking off in front of grown men!

Yeah its actually one of the first things I look at with "current" guys.

Someone like Dermonti Dawson was hailed as the best center since Webster and a lock for the HOF.

Dawkins IMO wasnt better than Leroy Butler who isnt in , and Rodney Harrison a contemporary who I dont think is going in was a bigger hitter with 2 SB rings. So how Dawkins is a lock I dont know.

QB/HB/T are the only positions that one can safely say "lock" with IMO. All other are really highly contingent on alot of other factors dealing with ex-players who arent in/waiting time etc.


Devin Hester and Adam Vinitieri are the two most intriguing guys. They are clearly the best at there respective duty ever.
But return men need something else on there resume and 2/3 kickers in the HOF were two way players. Adam doesnt have Morton Andersons career...just the best crucial kicks in NFL history.

Stanerud will have company...If Hester puts more distance between him and 2nd place hes going to be hard to keep out.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

It is kind of interesting to compare Taylor to Dent. Taylor played longer, but he only had 9 (IMO) truly productive years, whereas Dent had 10.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DentRi00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylJa03.htm

They are very similar in their sack totals. Dent had a couple more "big years" than Taylor, but Taylor had some good seasons himself. I didn't think Dent should have made the HOF, but I subjectively think he was the better player than Taylor. Taylor was a great pass rusher and a hustle guy, but Dent was incredibly strong for his size and could stop plays at the point of attack.

I thought Dent was a fringe player, but clearly many people considered him a HOF caliber guy.

What I find to be a remarkable is Jason Taylor went from a hand in the dirt DE guy to stand up outside linebacker and continued to be productive. What really makes me think he's HOF today isn't only his on the field production, he's truly a famous guy. He's a household name, very well respected by his peers and in the media, endorsement deals, was on dancing with the stars, and numerous cover shots on various sports and non-sports magazines. He's truly a famous guy. I just think the HOF committee will find more reasons to vote for him than against him. IMO he's in already.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Yeah its actually one of the first things I look at with "current" guys.

Someone like Dermonti Dawson was hailed as the best center since Webster and a lock for the HOF.

Dawkins IMO wasnt better than Leroy Butler who isnt in , and Rodney Harrison a contemporary who I dont think is going in was a bigger hitter with 2 SB rings. So how Dawkins is a lock I dont know.

QB/HB/T are the only positions that one can safely say "lock" with IMO. All other are really highly contingent on alot of other factors dealing with ex-players who arent in/waiting time etc.


Devin Hester and Adam Vinitieri are the two most intriguing guys. They are clearly the best at there respective duty ever.
But return men need something else on there resume and 2/3 kickers in the HOF were two way players. Adam doesnt have Morton Andersons career...just the best crucial kicks in NFL history.

Stanerud will have company...If Hester puts more distance between him and 2nd place hes going to be hard to keep out.

The backlog of players waiting to get into the HOF are often purposefully not put into the HOF for arbitrary and in some cases petty reasons. When they can only put through a handful of players there will always be a backlog of HOF worthy candidates. I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts Dawson will one day have his bust in canton, same can be said for Haley. History I think has shown that judging the guys who won't make the HOF, against those great players who we all know should be in the HOF but aren't, is flawed IMO.

I do think it's important to consider these worthy, albeit fringe guys still waiting to get into the HOF, when talking about active HOF worthy guys still playing today. I just don't think it's safe to rule out anybody based on a backlog of other deserving candidates who aren't in yet. HOF locks don't have to be first ballot, they just have to be locks. Like Art Monk, Richard Dent, Darmonti Dawson and Charles Haley weren't first ballot, but all had HOF worthy careers.

The only place judging actives vs. these fringe guys is in anyway helpful is to develop a predictable pattern of induction. When the committee saw Rice, Brown, Carter and Reed retire with Holt, Bruce, Harrison, Owens etc. still playing, they knew they had to push Art Monk through, same could be said for Bullet Bob Hayes. For years there was nobody to force the issue for Monk, until a predictable pattern of retirements were set to occur.

I think that's why we saw Dent go this year. Charles Haley, Chris Doleman, and Cortez Kennedy are all D-linemen waiting to get in, with Michael Strahan and Warren Sapp who will force the issue when they become eligible. I think it's a safe bet to put money down on Charles Haley next year BTW. Strahan I think is first ballot. The predictable pattern I think will go Haley in 2012, Strahan in 2013, Sapp in 2014, Doleman and Kennedy will most likely wait until the next backlog of D-linemen retire. I very well might be surprised to watch Haley slide for the next 10 years, however doubtful that scenario may be. Even if that were to happen I wouldn't doubt Haley didn't do enough in his career to get in. Likewise I think it's a safe bet to say Jason Taylor has already done enough in his career to this point to warrant HOF consideration, IMO.

As for Dawkins, I'm less sold on, and I agree with everything you said about him here.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I thought Dent was a fringe player, but clearly many people considered him a HOF caliber guy.

What I find to be a remarkable is Jason Taylor went from a hand in the dirt DE guy to stand up outside linebacker and continued to be productive. What really makes me think he's HOF today isn't only his on the field production, he's truly a famous guy. He's a household name, very well respected by his peers and in the media, endorsement deals, was on dancing with the stars, and numerous cover shots on various sports and non-sports magazines. He's truly a famous guy. I just think the HOF committee will find more reasons to vote for him than against him. IMO he's in already.

Haley , Greene , even recently Aaron Kampman all shifted in there careers. I think a few big names have as well.

Edge rusher in 4-3 and 3-4 OLB is about the easiest transition anywhere on the field.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Haley , Greene , even recently Aaron Kampman all shifted in there careers. I think a few big names have as well.

Haley started out at LOLB if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't until he went to Dallas halfway through his career that he transitioned to DE, and it took him three years to post double digit sacks at the DE position. I assume it's far easier to transition from OLB to DE. I may be wrong,

Greene was primarily an OLB in the 4-3. When the Rams first switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and he played DE he only had 3 sacks that season. The next year he moved to OLB and I don't think he played DE very much the rest of his career. He was always listed at LOLB and that's where I remember him lining up his whole career, and I'm a big Kevin Greene fan, I think I would remember him playing more DE.

I think Kampman only played 1 year at OLB in Green Bay and he had just 3.5 sacks that season. He wasn't nearly as productive as one would like from the OLB position.

This just proves my point that Jason Taylor is special.

Edge rusher in 4-3 and 3-4 OLB is about the easiest transition anywhere on the field.

It's not nearly as easy as you imply. Every 3-4 defensive coach will tell you there is typically a 2 plus year learning curve when transitioning from 4-3 edge rusher to 3-4 outside linebacker. OLB are just asked to do more than rush the QB. Looking at Jason Taylor his turn around from a pro-bowl DE to a DPOY OLB was 1 season, and he won DPOY also because he was a disruptive force in coverage as well, which is the main problem with DE's moving out. Most DE's that move out can obviously rush the QB, but not all of them are as good in coverage or open space as Jason Taylor was.

I think a few big names have as well.

edit: I'll help you out, Tamba Hali switched last year and posted 8 sacks and then 15 this year. While he's obviously still able to pass rush he wasn't very useful at anything else. 0 INT's, 4 PD over the last two years. In Taylors first two years at OLB he had 1 INT and 21 PD's. Taylor also had 141 tackles to Hali's 115.

edit2: Elvis Dumervil was considered a tweener when drafted. He's had success at DE and in '09 had 17 sacks at OLB. Again Dumervil was used primarily as a rusher. Had 0 INTs, 3 PDs, and 49 tackles. 17 sacks is great, but again my point to you is Jason Taylor was for a few years was a more complete OLB than Hali, Dumervil, Haley, Greene or Kampan at OLB IMO. That's why I think his transition was extra special in comparison to others who've successfully transitioned between the two.