Hester vs Jackson

[Cody]

Hester is my vote. He is very explosive, he was ment to be a returner.

Jackson doesn't return as many punts so it was kinda hard to compare.

 

[zack54attack]

As a returner, this guy..

as a WR, then Jackson

 

[Rush]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x5rk4U_zk[/ame]

 

[dave]

Hester a great playmaker, but comparing him to Desean Jackson as a receiver is a bit unfair.
Hester has never even remotely had the supporting cast #10 has enjoyed.
Hester has never had the coaches #10 has.

Hester is every bit as explosive as #10, but his full potential will never be realized in Chicago ... and now he's too old (compared to #10) for this argument to be presented.

 

[MrBill]

Hester a great playmaker, but comparing him to Desean Jackson as a receiver is a bit unfair.
Hester has never even remotely had the supporting cast #10 has enjoyed.
Hester has never had the coaches #10 has.

Hester is every bit as explosive as #10, but his full potential will never be realized in Chicago ... and now he's too old (compared to #10) for this argument to be presented.

I don't think Hester's career production has been restricted at all by his time in Chicago. He's been to the playoff multiple times plus a Super Bowl and plays on a team that lacks offensive stars which allows his requests to play wide receiver get some traction.

Desmond Howard was every bit as explosive as Hester for a few years in Green Bay but his constant bitching to play WR ended up with him leaving the team in FA and fading into the sunset. At least the Bears placate Hester and give him the opportunity to be a weak #3 WR on a team not brimming with talent at the position.

 

[FirstTimer]

Desmond Howard was every bit as explosive as Hester for a few years in Green Bay but his constant bitching to play WR ended up with him leaving the team in FA and fading into the sunset. .

1. Howard played one and half seasons in Green Bay. 1996 and half of 1999. He had 3 PR for T D in 1996. And 1 KR TD in the Super Bowl. He did nothing at worth mentioning in his 8 games with the team in 1999.

2. Hesters best two seasons in Chicago:

2006: 5 officially..plus a 108 yard missed FG return and the SB kick return. So 7.

2007: 6.

Howard's most explosive..and only..season in Green Bay he barely had half of the KR for TD's that Hester had.

Howard was not as explosive has Hester at any time during his tenure in Green Bay. He wasn't even as explosive as Hester for one "year"...let alone "years."

 

[MrBill]

Think Hester would trade his return record for a Super Bowl ring and a Super Bowl MVP award? :yep:

Regardless, I'm glad that he finally broke the record. Before his 3 punt returns for TD's this season it had been all the way back in '07 since had returned a punt or kick for a TD so it isn't like he had been tearing it up since the Bears lost the Super Bowl.

 

[Tengo Juego]

Think Hester would trade his return record for a Super Bowl ring and a Super Bowl MVP award? :yep:

:yep:

 

[FirstTimer]

Think Hester would trade his return record for a Super Bowl ring and a Super Bowl MVP award? :yep:

Yes....but who cares. That's not the point.

Non-sequitur.

Regardless, I'm glad that he finally broke the record. Before his 3 punt returns for TD's this season it had been all the way back in '07 since had returned a punt or kick for a TD so it isn't like he had been tearing it up since the Bears lost the Super Bowl.

bama:

The year after the Bears lost the Super Bowl he returned more punts for TD's than he did in the Super Bowl season and the same amount of kickoff returns during the regular season.

His last return for a score in 2007 came in the very last game of the 2007 season against the Saints. Hester did in fact tear it up after the Bears won the Super Bowl. For one season....and now this one.

 

[MrBill]

Yes....but who cares. That's not the point.

It is exactly the point. You diminish Howard as not being as explosive as Hester even for one season, I say that his Super Bowl ring and Super Bowl MVP award say otherwise.

Non-sequitur.

Vos es plenus of vestri.

The year after the Bears lost the Super Bowl he returned more punts for TD's than he did in the Super Bowl season and the same amount of kickoff returns during the regular season.

His last return for a score in 2007 came in the very last game of the 2007 season against the Saints. Hester did in fact tear it up after the Bears won the Super Bowl. For one season....and now this one.

So by that logic, Brett Farve has been playing the best football of his life since leaving the Packers, just not in '08 or this year since your praise of Hester leaves out two full seasons of goose eggs.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I said it then Ill say it now.

Bears wasted time and a weapon trying Hester as a X/Z WR . The guy should have stayed FT as a return man and played slot and 4th WR.

NOONE outside of Deion and Sayers is in the same breath as a return guy.

Once again Hester showed just how ridiculous he is at that aspect of the game , and how much of a momentum changer he can be.

Cutting the # of his returns was nothing short of dumbassery by the Bears.

 

[FirstTimer]

It is exactly the point.

No it's not.

You diminish Howard as not being as explosive as Hester even for one season, I say that his Super Bowl ring and Super Bowl MVP award say otherwise.

Winning a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP =/= to being as "explosive" you clown. Last I checked non-explosive players win Super Bowls and Howard and Hester did the same thing in the Super Bowl... the Bears as a team were not as good as the Colts so they lost. Hester not winning the Super Bowl MVP has nothign to do with "explosivness" in comparison to Howard. Howard winning the award was a direct result of him making the same player Hester did...but for the team that won. That doesn't make Howard as explosive or more explosive than Hester. That just means that Howards play mattered more in the grand scheme of things.


Do you EVER make a good post?

Seriously.

Howard was never as explosive as Hester. Even for one season...which is a great backpedal from your original statement of "years in Green Bay". Howard's best season, 1996, in a Packer uniform looked like this:

Playoffs included for TD totals
Punt Return Average: 15.1
PR TD's: 4
Kick Return Average: 20.9
KR TD's: 1

Hester's 2006/2007 seasons

2006
PR Avg: 12.8
PR TD's: 3

KR Avg: 26.4
KR TD's: 3

*Plus he had a 108 yard missed FG return for a TD*

2007:

PR Avg: 15.5
PR TD: 4

KR Avg: 21.7
KR TD: 2

Either of Hester's first two seasons in the NFL>> Howards from a strictly individual stand point.

Quit being a fucking clown.

So by that logic, Brett Farve has been playing the best football of his life since leaving the Packers, just not in '08 or this year since your praise of Hester leaves out two full seasons of goose eggs.

bama:

No. No. No.

You said the following: "It's not like he has been tearing it up since losing the Super Bowl"..

When he has arguably a better season return wise the season right after the Super Bowl.

Yes. 08 and 09 were bad seasons for him but to say he hasn't been tearing it up since after the Super Bowl and thus pretty much ignoring a season with 6 return touchdowns is asinine. The correct statement would have been: "He hasn't exactly been tearing it up since the end of 2007." Which would be true.

But, nope. You again said something ridiculously stupid and got called on it.

Good work.

 

[packersfan4eva]

Jackson's a receiving monster. Hester's good, but he's no Jackson.

 

[FirstTimer]

Jackson's a receiving monster. Hester's good, but he's no Jackson.

Hester is a return monster. Jackson is good but he's no Hester.

:acid:

 

[NAHSTE]

I didn't realize this was purely based on return ability, but I do think DeSean Jackson can replicate, or at least approximate, what Hester does in the return game.

I would still take DeSean over him from a pure value standpoint. Hester's skills are too specialized to say I'd take him over Jackson. If we are playing "imaginary GM," I would rather spend a roster spot on a guy who can play WR and PR at a high level, rather than just be a great return guy.

 

[MrBill]

Winning a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP =/= to being as "explosive" you clown. Last I checked non-explosive players win Super Bowls and Howard and Hester did the same thing in the Super Bowl...

Non sequitur douche nozzle. Howard and Hester are both special teams returners and thus the comparison is valid. I did not compare Hester to a running back or quarterback.

the Bears as a team were not as good as the Colts so they lost.

Hester not winning the Super Bowl MVP has nothign to do with "explosivness" in comparison to Howard. Howard winning the award was a direct result of him making the same player Hester did...but for the team that won. That doesn't make Howard as explosive or more explosive than Hester. That just means that Howards play mattered more in the grand scheme of things.

What is this "explosivness" you speak of? You always want to argue semantics , maybe a spell check plug-in for your browser would be a good thing.

Do you EVER make a good post?

Do you think that multi-quoting makes you look like less of a cum guzzling turd burglar?

Howard was never as explosive as Hester. Even for one season...which is a great backpedal from your original statement of "years in Green Bay".

Probably about even to your trying to pretend Hester has been the best returner in the league the past few years by only pointing to his '07 and '10 production.

Either of Hester's first two seasons in the NFL>> Howards from a strictly individual stand point.

Nobody is saying that Hester isn't better over time. The original point was that Desmond Howard was an incredible returner that sacrificed his career trying to play WR, much as Hester's lost momentum when the Bears capitulated and let him focus on being a marginal WR.

Quit being a fucking clown.

:hand:

08 and 09 were bad seasons for him but to say he hasn't been tearing it up since after the Super Bowl and thus pretty much ignoring a season with 6 return touchdowns is asinine. The correct statement would have been: "He hasn't exactly been tearing it up since the end of 2007." Which would be true.

Nobody is ignoring '07. If you did, the correct statement would have been: "He hasn't done jack shit since the end of '07 before this season". That would be true.

But, nope. You again said something ridiculously stupid and got called on it.

You seriously overrate the worth of your input. As if a blowhard Bears fan on an Internet forum is the keeper of what is ridiculously stupid and what is not.

Good work.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Jackson all day any day IMO. I mean... Hester is amazing, but most of his returns have EXCELLENT blocking, dudes are taking motherfuckers heads off and he usually gets a pretty clear lane and then its one cut and he's gone. Maybe DeSean does it for show, but he always ends up in a crowd and somehow miraculously jukes and starts and stops his way to a clearing. Both are amazing players tho.

 

[FirstTimer]

Howard and Hester are both special teams returners

I never said they weren't dip shit. You said Howard was "as explosive as Hester" for "years" in Green Bay.

Which is false

What is this "explosivness" you speak of? You always want to argue semantics , maybe a spell check plug-in for your browser would be a good thing.

Old version of IE here at work.

Way to ignore the point though.

Do you think that multi-quoting makes you look like less of a cum guzzling turd burglar?

Do you think that responding while ignoring every point that was made to shoot down your asinine ideas actually fools anyone?

Probably about even to your trying to pretend Hester has been the best returner in the league the past few years by only pointing to his '07 and '10 production.

Never did that. Never came close to doing that. Never even insinuated that.

Nice try.

Nobody is saying that Hester isn't better over time.

Gee ya think?!

Desmond Howard was an incredible returner

I never disagreed with that.

Again.

You originally said that "Howard was as explosive as Hester for years in Green Bay."

I never once commented that I thought Howard sucked, wasn't any good, wasn't "special", wasn't "great/good/whatever". I simply commented that at their best Howard was never as good as Hester was at his best. You're apparently too much of a pinhead to realize that doesn't mean I think Howard wasn't a hell of a return man in his own right. He just was never on Hester's level.

The Bears capitulated and let him focus on being a marginal WR.

Here you show your ignorance on the entire situation. From the day he was drafted and from Day 1 of minicamp when Hester was in Chicago Angelo saw him as a WR. He openly told people that was the long term plan for him. Hester being a WR was set in motion by the team. Not by any demands Hester made.


http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=3420

Read the story and STFU.

Or just read this part.

Hester starred at the University of Miami as a wide receiver, running back, cornerback and return specialist. He told the Bears that he wanted to play cornerback in the NFL much like his idol, Deion Sanders, and conceded that he had to be convinced to make the switch.
“We had several meetings until I just really said that there’s no ‘I’ in ‘team’ and however I can help the team I’m willing to do it,” Hester said.
“It’s going to be a great experience. I’m just going to go over there and try to give a little spark to the offense. There will be more opportunities to make big plays and I think it’s a great idea.”

Hester lined up on offense for one play in 2006, but he was unable to snare a low pass from Rex Grossman.
“He’s made it clear that defense is something that he’s always loved,” Smith said. “He’s also made it clear that he likes scoring touchdowns and this gives him the best opportunity. We can get his hands on the ball a few more times this way.”

I love how your original point revolved around things that were/are completely untrue.

1. Howard wasn't explosive for "years" in Green Bay

2. He was never as explosive as Hester was.

3. The Bears never capitulated to any of Hester's demands to play WR because he never made them. Hester didn't sacrifice his career. The Bears did...or came damn close to it.

Bravo good sir. Brav-fucking-O

Nobody is ignoring '07.

You did. Asshat.

 

[1ke]

^^^ LOL....I saw that Bill got him going, and I havent read anything from page 2....FT's my boi, and once i saw the multi-quoting I chalked it up. My eyes cant handle it.

I created the thread minutes after #10 ripped out the Giants hearts. I thought to myself, "wow hes fucking good, is there anyone better, wellll"

So I will easily concede that #10 is a better WR, but how anyone can say he is a better returner is head scratching TBH.

Hester has 14, and that is NOT including the SB KO return, and the 108 FG return that was dumb as shit against the Giants. (ironic?)

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not even reading FT's posts but he's multiquoting so I know he's winning.

Your first clue to that should have been seeing that Mr. Bill was posting.