Hester wants bigger role as return man..

[Senser81]

Players Devin Hester had more yards then last year:

Austin Collie
Braylon Edwards
Bernard Berrian
Lee Evans
Roy Willliams
Laverneus Coles
Tedd Ginn

These are all guys that have blatantly been labelled as better then Devin Hester. They're all seeing the field as much as Devin, to boot, and majority of which are playing in a better offense then ours.

Good for Hester, but I would assume that is more of a reflection on the lack of decent Bears WRs than anything Hester did. Devin Aromoshodu (sp?) came in at the tail end of the season and was immediately better than Hester. Most of the guys you listed weren't even regular starters last year, and/or were injured.

Hester has 3 catches of over 40+ yards this year. The 2 deep threats in NO (Meachem and Henderson) also have 3 catches of 40+ yards, and thats the most explosive pass offense in the NFL. Greg Jennings went over 40 yards 5 times. Andre Johnson went over 7 times.. Miles Austin 6.. Pierre Garcon 3.. Randy Moss 5. AJ, Austin, Moss are all elite players.. but in comparison to the deep threats of high powered offenses (Indy, GB, NO), Hester is right there with their best deep threats in terms of catchs over 40 yards (while playing less, I might add). Dude has the break-away speed to be a deep threat.. and if his hands were a little better he probably would've had on or two more catches of 50+.

I think this is the first time I've seen someone rate a WRs ability be a single-season 40+ yard catch tally. Even more incredible is the fact that Hester's grand total of 3 40+ yard catches is nothing special. Its like saying that Sandy Koufax threw only 5 more no-hitters than Chuck Rainey, so Rainey must be decent.

Solid post, though.

 

[FirstTimer]

Players Devin Hester had more yards then last year:

Austin Collie
Braylon Edwards
Bernard Berrian
Lee Evans
Roy Willliams
Laverneus Coles
Tedd Ginn

So your argument for Hester showing progress over the last 3 years as a #1 is that he has more yards than:

A rookie #3 WR.

A WR who played for the BROWNS QB's and a rookie QB in New York

The Minnesota Vikings #2 WR behind Rice who played hurt all season

The Buffalo Bills #2 who was catching passes from Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm.

A Busted #1 WR pick who has had ONE 1,000 yard season in his career and is perhaps the most overrated WR in the NFL. Who was also the Cowboys 3rd option behind Miles and Witten.

A 32 year old #2 WR.

And a WR that was outperformed by: Devone Bess, Greg Caramillo and Brian Hartline?Also a a guy who is universally mocked for having the "dropsies"


Wow. I'm REALLY impressed Hester had more yards than those guys!

LOL

Your argument sucks.

Johnny Knox and Devin Aromoshodu showed more progress this season as a WR than Hester has in 3 seasons. You can't name one thing Hester does better now than he did 3 years ago when Moose was helpign him line up during plays.

These are all guys that have blatantly been labelled as better then Devin Hester.

Because all of them are? Hester is the Bears #1 WR and your argument revolves around showing off passing yards of guys who are barely #2's..and in most case in offenses with much worse QB's and who threw the ball much less...or very badly.

How can you not grasp that?

If you go from barely being able to catch a football

Read reports coming out of camp for the Bears years ago raving about Hester's great hands. Hester could always catch. So just stop.

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If you catch more balls from one year to the next, in less games played to boot, you're progressing.

Hester caught moreballs because the Bears had no running game, a better QB, and were throwing the ball more. Simply because a player ptus up better stats doesn't mean he is getting any "better" at playing the game. There are other factors. All of which you are ignoring.

Quit being a fucking idiot.

And I think he'll continue to do so.

Hester is what he is and always will be. A shitty WR.

Quit living in a fantasy land.

hes getting a ton of unwarranted hate like hes a terrible receiver, and reality is he isnt.

Yes he is.

Hester fucking sucks. The second Knox and Aromoshdu stepped on the field this year they were better.

Quit acting like a fucking clown.

 

[Rush]

It wasn't Hester's fault his longest reception was 48 yards. There were MANY times where Jay Cutler simply overthrew/underthrew him when he clearly had the coverage beat. Hester had a lot of balls thrown his way too that were just shitty passes.

For somebody who never played WR until he got to the highest level of football, he's done alright in my eyes. I would love to see him be a slot/gadget type WR and see his return abilities return.

Correct me if I am wrong but when he wanted to play more WR, all of a sudden he sucked at returning kicks. That is why his role diminished because he wasn't doing jack shit. I think he had 1 big return past the 50.

 

[ram29jackson]

Hesters an athlete. but i'm not sure he can think his way out of a paper bag. can he learn more plays and routes and be consistant ?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Good for Hester, but I would assume that is more of a reflection on the lack of decent Bears WRs than anything Hester did. Devin Aromoshodu (sp?) came in at the tail end of the season and was immediately better than Hester. Most of the guys you listed weren't even regular starters last year, and/or were injured.

Not true.. all those guys were starters on their team and played as many, if not more games then Devin (maybe Ginn saw the field less, but its a similar situation to Hester's in which they wanted him on the field to help him progress). Id have to check how many of these guys were targetted, but those guys were all seeing the field enough to contribute as much as Devin.

Im really not trying to say Hester is a great receiver, or even a good one. Infact, id rather have DA, Bennet, or even Konxville on the field over him, and use him as a gadget guy. I just think hes getting some unjustified hate that is unwarranted IMO.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

So your argument for Hester showing progress over the last 3 years as a #1 is that he has more yards than:

A rookie #3 WR.

A WR who played for the BROWNS QB's and a rookie QB in New York

The Minnesota Vikings #2 WR behind Rice who played hurt all season

The Buffalo Bills #2 who was catching passes from Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm.

A Busted #1 WR pick who has had ONE 1,000 yard season in his career and is perhaps the most overrated WR in the NFL. Who was also the Cowboys 3rd option behind Miles and Witten.

A 32 year old #2 WR.

And a WR that was outperformed by: Devone Bess, Greg Caramillo and Brian Hartline?Also a a guy who is universally mocked for having the "dropsies"


Wow. I'm REALLY impressed Hester had more yards than those guys!

LOL

Your argument sucks.

Johnny Knox and Devin Aromoshodu showed more progress this season as a WR than Hester has in 3 seasons. You can't name one thing Hester does better now than he did 3 years ago when Moose was helpign him line up during plays.




Because all of them are? Hester is the Bears #1 WR and your argument revolves around showing off passing yards of guys who are barely #2's..and in most case in offenses with much worse QB's and who threw the ball much less...or very badly.

How can you not grasp that?




Read reports coming out of camp for the Bears years ago raving about Hester's great hands. Hester could always catch. So just stop.

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Hester caught moreballs because the Bears had no running game, a better QB, and were throwing the ball more. Simply because a player ptus up better stats doesn't mean he is getting any "better" at playing the game. There are other factors. All of which you are ignoring.

Quit being a fucking idiot.


Hester is what he is and always will be. A shitty WR.

Quit living in a fantasy land.

Yes he is.

Hester fucking sucks. The second Knox and Aromoshdu stepped on the field this year they were better.

Quit acting like a fucking clown.

Excuses, excuses. Keep on hating. You excel at it.

 

[FirstTimer]

It wasn't Hester's fault his longest reception was 48 yards. There were MANY times where Jay Cutler simply overthrew/underthrew him when he clearly had the coverage beat. Hester had a lot of balls thrown his way too that were just shitty passes.

Knox and DA both had longer passes than Hester and were better as soon as they stepped on the field. hester is overrated as a deep threat he can't get behind anyone because everyone assumes he can only go deep because his rute runnign sucks. Yea Cutler missed him against the Eagles. Big Whoop.

For somebody who never played WR until he got to the highest level of football, he's done alright in my eyes. I would love to see him be a slot/gadget type WR and see his return abilities return.

That's what they did in 2007

Correct me if I am wrong but when he wanted to play more WR, all of a sudden he sucked at returning kicks. That is why his role diminished because he wasn't doing jack shit. I think he had 1 big return past the 50.

Incorrect. Hester's second season he played mroe WR and still did great return wise. His 3rd year they wanted to move him to WR full time as the #1 and the staff made the choice to scale back his returning so he could "concentrate" on being a WR.

 

[Senser81]

Im really not trying to say Hester is a great receiver, or even a good one. Infact, id rather have DA, Bennet, or even Konxville on the field over him, and use him as a gadget guy. I just think hes getting some unjustified hate that is unwarranted IMO.

I think the "hate" is more towards the Bears organization for deceiving themselves and everyone else and trying to say Hester is a #1 WR. For a guy with great speed and alleged game-breaking ability, I really don't think defenses gameplan against Hester or do anything different to account for him. IMO, Hester hasn't really distinguished himself as being different from any other below-average Bear WR.

 

[FirstTimer]

Excuses, excuses. Keep on hating. You excel at it.

Ha. LOL at "hating".

I said before this year on this very board I hoped Hester goes off and proves me wrong. Predictably he didn't.

I'd love to see Hester turn into Steve Smith or anyone decent. But he never will because he has no feel for the position. But I guess as long as he puts up better numbers than most teams #3 options you'll be happy.


LOL even more at excuses. When your argument for him progressing revolves around his ability to catch now and his ability to out produce Tedd Ginn and the Colts #4 option.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I think the "hate" is more towards the Bears organization for deceiving themselves and everyone else and trying to say Hester is a #1 WR. For a guy with great speed and alleged game-breaking ability, I really don't think defenses gameplan against Hester or do anything different to account for him. IMO, Hester hasn't really distinguished himself as being different from any other below-average Bear WR.

But us as fans should've known that labeling him the #1 WR was simply a formability. But in fairness, it was retarded on the organizations behalf because it created expectations that were not obtainable and probably put some unneeded pressure on Devin aswell. I would never argue that Hester is a #1 WR, he isnt.. but I dont think anyone really is on our team. The coaching staff should've presented it as just having a WR core instead of really labeling anyone as the #1, because noone deserved that distinction.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Ha. LOL at "hating".

I said before this year on this very board I hoped Hester goes off and proves me wrong. Predictably he didn't.

I'd love to see Hester turn into Steve Smith or anyone decent. But he never will because he has no feel for the position. But I guess as long as he puts up better numbers than most teams #3 options you'll be happy.


LOL even more at excuses. When your argument for him progressing revolves around his ability to catch now and his ability to out produce Tedd Ginn and the Colts #4 option.

Not being able to contribute to putting up decent stats is progression. Its simply undeniable. If you want to argue levels of progression you can do that with someone who likes Devin more. I simply said he progressed, and he did. Thats not debatable.

 

[FirstTimer]

Not being able to contribute to putting up decent stats is progression. Its simply undeniable. If you want to argue levels of progression you can do that with someone who likes Devin more. I simply said he progressed, and he did. Thats not debatable.

Since his 1st season as a WR:

His YPC have gone down.

His Long catch has gown down.

And even though he has been starting the past two seasons he has only managed to improve his TD number by 1 over his first year. The only thing that have gone up really are his accumulated stats and that's just because he is starting now/on the field more. His per catch etc numbers have all dropped.

He contributed more in 2007 as a part wime WR because of his return abililties. There's nothing Hester does now at WR that he did better than in 2007. Not a single thing.

 

[FedEx227]

If thats true, then its weird how Hester was originally a defensive back on the Bears. Why not just make him a WR from the get-go?

I'm just going from what I've heard and read.

Angelo always wanted Hester as a WR, while most of the other staff saw him as a partime DB and a returner.

And don't think Angelo didn't pressure Lovie to play him more in the offense after he gave him that big deal. It's no surprise to me, that after he got that deal his punt return and kick return numbers were nearly cut in half and his receptions were doubled.

Again, I don't know for sure... just going from random articles I've read and interviews I've heard... to me it's not of the realm that there was a power struggle over Hester. We've known that Angelo and Smith have been on different pages for years now, this offseason and the search for Offensive Coordinator being the shining light.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Since his 1st season as a WR:

His YPC have gone down.

His Long catch has gown down.

And even though he has been starting the past two seasons he has only managed to improve his TD number by 1 over his first year. The only thing that have gone up really are his accumulated stats and that's just because he is starting now/on the field more. His per catch etc numbers have all dropped.

Pretty simple explanation to this is they were trying to use him as more of a traditional receiver then they were doing early in his career, when they were more focusing on him just beating guys down field.

I really dont want to argue about Devin Hester anymore.. hes already garnered more time then his skill set justifies.

 

[FirstTimer]

Pretty simple explanation to this is they were trying to use him as more of a traditional receiver then they were doing early in his career, when they were more focusing on him just beating guys down field.

Ok...

So what did Hester do better this season than last?

I really dont want to argue about Devin Hester anymore.. hes already garnered more time then his skill set justifies.

I'd still rather have Austin Collie.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Ok...

So what did Hester do better this season than last?




I'd still rather have Austin Collie.

Everything.

Me too.

 

[FirstTimer]

Everything.

Pfffff.............

Does this include his ability to shrug at the QB signifying he has no idea what is going on?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Pfffff.............

Does this include his ability to shrug at the QB signifying he has no idea what is going on?

Yes, hes vastly improved in this area.

 

[FedEx227]

3 years down the line and he still can't learn one of the simplest playbooks in football.

Fantastic.

 

[FirstTimer]

3 years down the line and he still can't learn one of the simplest playbooks in football.

Fantastic.

Well at least Mike Martz is the coordinator now...........


Ah shit.