Interesting take on RedZone Channel

[jms493]

NFL PHILOSOPHY 101 - Proctor - Mr. W2B - 8:00 AM - 8:50

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I cant watch redzone channel. I dont feel any connection to the games or have any grasp of whats actually going on. I love game mix because the way this league is today theres too many shitty games and it helps me pick the one or two that actually seem interesting. Instant Replay in its current format has taken a long game and made it far too mind numbing for people with short attention spans.

At the end of the day I still like watching marquee matchups and marquee players. But trying to watch a vikings game to see AP is just painful when every big hit is a penalty , every turnover takes 5 minutes to review , and every other TD is a wait and see moment. Why bother when you can just watch non stop scoring ? I may not be a fan of RZC but I understand it completely.

Ill completely disagree with Larry. NFL has been a massive leader in broadcasting changes. Much as I hate monopolies there is no dispute that DTV/NFL combo have pushed sports broadcasting of the NFL miles ahead of all other sports.

-In game menus with score tracking meant no waiting for JBs Mcdonalds game break.
-In game menus with player tracking meant no waiting for end game highlights or ticker to see what "your" rb put up in fantasy.
-Shortcuts allowing you to essentially watch any game that day in a half an hour. Before the overdose and watering down of games this was a huge thing.
-Game mix essentially eliminating the need of the sportsbars multi screen attraction.
-RedZones absolutely masterful handling and editing allowing you to watch basically every score as it happens.
-Mobile apps that allow me to have game mix or individual games whereveer I am..even if its game mix on tablet and main game on my TV.
-I hated it but NFL funneled all post game fans looking for highlights to Sunday Night Football pregame.

Look around you. The NFL didnt create people with short attention spans its responding to them. Brilliantly so. I hate FF fans , I hate short attention span fans. But there nothing antiquated about NFLs delivery system in actuality its light years ahead of everyone elses. The reason SNF or previously MNF can remain marquee games is because of regionalized games to begin with.

In all honesty if the NFL and Roger Goodell in particular werent so hell bent on expanding football days , babying every ball carrier , and overall watering down the product Id say no sport has ever been so brilliantly packaged as the NFL is today. My issues with the NFL are on the field , in the booths , and with the cameras. Not its delivery.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I love RedZone channel for the most part, the only thing that kills me is when they cut to a useless game no one gives a shit about (probably because like W2B said.. fantasy football and gambling)..

Aside from that, it's awesome IMO. Especially for the early slate of games.

 

[Glenbino]

I don't get how you guys who say you watch the primetime games can sit through Monday Night Football most weeks.

They've been awful this year to be sure.. still beats watching Two and a Half Men though.

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[MvP]

RedZone is great for when I'm forced to watch something like Jets/Jaguars at 1PM, but I only had a month free trial this year so I stopped using it after Week 3 or 4. Also, if the Packers are on and my area isn't showing the game, I connect my laptop to the HDTV and watch it on firstrowsports. If I had Sunday Ticket, though, I would just put on the most interesting matchup and watch that full game. I hate the fantasy football culture and am considering quitting FF after this season. It's dumb luck plus I can't stand talking about it IRL.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Anymore, the NFL is just kind of stale and boring for me. Sure, I'll watch my Panthers, and probably have other games on as background noise while I do stuff, but I hardly watch the NFL anymore.

I think a large part of that has to do with how uniform offenses have seemed to be throughout the league as of late. On a CFB Saturday, I can't take my eyes off the TV because of all of the creative schemes, offenses, and different attacks I see on display. One game I see Georgia Tech runinng the triple option out of the 'bone, the next I can turn to Alabama railroading a team with a power running attack, and then I could flip over to see Chip Kelly running Oregon's offense up and down the field. The amount of variation and creativity in spread attacks has just made the college game so much more watchable for me, and I'm a guy who appreciates the little nuances of the game such as schemes, coverages, alignments, etc.

RG3 has helped and I hope he and Cam can pave the way for more untraditional offensive attacks to make their way to the league (or back to the league) so that we see some variety in terms of the way teams attack.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I cant watch redzone channel. I dont feel any connection to the games or have any grasp of whats actually going on. I love game mix because the way this league is today theres too many shitty games and it helps me pick the one or two that actually seem interesting. Instant Replay in its current format has taken a long game and made it far too mind numbing for people with short attention spans.

At the end of the day I still like watching marquee matchups and marquee players. But trying to watch a vikings game to see AP is just painful when every big hit is a penalty , every turnover takes 5 minutes to review , and every other TD is a wait and see moment. Why bother when you can just watch non stop scoring ? I may not be a fan of RZC but I understand it completely.

Ill completely disagree with Larry. NFL has been a massive leader in broadcasting changes. Much as I hate monopolies there is no dispute that DTV/NFL combo have pushed sports broadcasting of the NFL miles ahead of all other sports.

-In game menus with score tracking meant no waiting for JBs Mcdonalds game break.
-In game menus with player tracking meant no waiting for end game highlights or ticker to see what "your" rb put up in fantasy.
-Shortcuts allowing you to essentially watch any game that day in a half an hour. Before the overdose and watering down of games this was a huge thing.
-Game mix essentially eliminating the need of the sportsbars multi screen attraction.
-RedZones absolutely masterful handling and editing allowing you to watch basically every score as it happens.
-Mobile apps that allow me to have game mix or individual games whereveer I am..even if its game mix on tablet and main game on my TV.
-I hated it but NFL funneled all post game fans looking for highlights to Sunday Night Football pregame.

Look around you. The NFL didnt create people with short attention spans its responding to them. Brilliantly so. I hate FF fans , I hate short attention span fans. But there nothing antiquated about NFLs delivery system in actuality its light years ahead of everyone elses. The reason SNF or previously MNF can remain marquee games is because of regionalized games to begin with.

In all honesty if the NFL and Roger Goodell in particular werent so hell bent on expanding football days , babying every ball carrier , and overall watering down the product Id say no sport has ever been so brilliantly packaged as the NFL is today. My issues with the NFL are on the field , in the booths , and with the cameras. Not its delivery.

LOL. You couldn't be more wrong.

The NFL and DTV ripped each of those ideas from other sports entities and broadcasting companies. There is actually very little the NFL broadcasting has invented or innovated. Most of what you see during a football broadcast was done for another sport before it was applied to the NFL, the technology and ideas for DTV and the Sunday Ticket package are no different.

Regionalized games have nothing to do with the popularity of SNF or MNF. Nothing.

The NFL conceptualized the idea of out of market sports packaging, but shortly after, other leagues joined in and have innovated more for the product than the NFL. Much of what you posted about came from Extra Innings. Hell, a lot of the "innovation" in regards to the RZC and Game Mix and even NFL Network itself are rips of NBATV.

Just because they are the biggest and essentially monopolized, doesn't mean they are the leader in innovation of sports broadcasting...they just aren't. Much of what you see in any football broadcast was done elsewhere. First down line? Same technology that gave you the glowing puck. Stat overlays. Baseball. "FoxBox" or expanded tickers and trackers. Baseball. ESPN and MLB have pioneered the idea of internet access to games with feature suites.

What you posted is just wrong, bruh.

 

[BigBucs]

I didnt purchase redzone for that exact reason. Flashing in and out of diff games is bullshit. I stream my Bucs game if we arent playing a local team (Skins, Ravens) and have the local games on TV in the background. Much rather watch games in their entirety. I have idiotic friends who think they know football but the 1st thing out of their mouth regarding any player is "whats his stats?"

Sunday ticket is/was a waste of money

I like the redzone channel :kanye:

Instead of having to flipping the channel every two seconds when a commercial comes on.

Its great for fans of out of market teams. I loved Sunday ticket on my PS3 last season but I chose not to go with it this season and went back to the streaming. Why? Because they asked for the whole fee up front when last year they had it so you can pay for it in increments. Didnt skip it because Im cheap but because when my team ends up doing the same shit this season that they did last season (not nearly as bad) I couldnt say fuck this, Im not reing up the last 4 games like I did last year.

We went on an 11 game losing streak last season, I didnt even bother to watch the final 3 games we were so pathetic. This season we just lost 4 in a row, Ill watch the final two games but I wouldnt pay for it.

I don't get how you guys who say you watch the primetime games can sit through Monday Night Football most weeks.

MNF schedule always suck, this season SNF has been knocking it out the park. What will always hurt MNF is them not flexing meaningless games but that probably has more to do with the inconvenience of a short week, Cant just disrupt schedules but the remedy for that would to do it 3 weeks in advance.

 

[krulmichael]

I usually am streaming the Lions game on my laptop (if the quality is really good I'll hook it up to my TV) and have RedZone on in the background mainly for fantasy reasons.

 

[BigHouseUSA]

Looked through the article a few hours ago and haven't read the thread, but I've been watching almost exclusively RedZone for a while now. Besides Lions games and any other I consider a great matchup I'll barely ever stick with one game throughout. I'm more interested in what's going on around the league than just one game, football's a very easy sport to move from game-to-game with.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

MNF schedule always suck, this season SNF has been knocking it out the park. What will always hurt MNF is them not flexing meaningless games but that probably has more to do with the inconvenience of a short week, Cant just disrupt schedules but the remedy for that would to do it 3 weeks in advance.

The problem with flexing MNF, is that CBS & FOX are already annoyed that they get games plucked off their slate for SNF. I'm sure the NFL would love to flex MNF, but they can't completely take a shit on the Sunday afternoon TV partners. Talking them into flexing for SNF was hard enough. CBS & FOX pay a shit ton of money, and with each new national package, they lose more & more marquee games.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

LOL. You couldn't be more wrong.

The NFL and DTV ripped each of those ideas from other sports entities and broadcasting companies. There is actually very little the NFL broadcasting has invented or innovated. Most of what you see during a football broadcast was done for another sport before it was applied to the NFL, the technology and ideas for DTV and the Sunday Ticket package are no different.

Regionalized games have nothing to do with the popularity of SNF or MNF. Nothing.

The NFL conceptualized the idea of out of market sports packaging, but shortly after, other leagues joined in and have innovated more for the product than the NFL. Much of what you posted about came from Extra Innings. Hell, a lot of the "innovation" in regards to the RZC and Game Mix and even NFL Network itself are rips of NBATV.

Just because they are the biggest and essentially monopolized, doesn't mean they are the leader in innovation of sports broadcasting...they just aren't. Much of what you see in any football broadcast was done elsewhere. First down line? Same technology that gave you the glowing puck. Stat overlays. Baseball. "FoxBox" or expanded tickers and trackers. Baseball. ESPN and MLB have pioneered the idea of internet access to games with feature suites.

What you posted is just wrong, bruh.

MNF was a Pete Roselle baby and designed to funnel an entire nation of football audience to one game. One of the primary reasons for its success was because viewership on Sunday was so split MNF created a single game during prime time hours for every fan to watch and discuss. That notion is not antiquated IMO. Its one of the few things keeping things normal.

I said Directv/NFL. Directv has been a pioneer in using DVR and its "computer" abilities for about a decade now. There cash cow has been the NFL Sunday ticket its there attempts to make there packages unique and to add to the NFL package that led the way for most of what I stated. Regardless of where it premiered first )most of which started for non sports reasons). DTV was the primary pusher of these in menu on screen displays and use of hard drives in order to package there sports. Im not really interested in patent hunting as my point is there partnership is the reason it became prominent and used. Comcast , TWC , Dish and others were so busy trying to figure out what to do about cable cards they missed the boat on a bunch of tech jumps. DTV basically lifted a bunch of stuff from Tivo and kicked them to the curb to make there own DVR. In the same way iPhone didnt really invent anything just borrowed and pushed things further DTV/NFL partnership allowed these things to flourish. I can assure you these things would still be niche items or rarely seen features if not for NFL/DTV.

At the end of the day NFL sunday ticket is by far and away the most option filled sports package anywhere. My opinion is that never happens with Comcast or TWC holding rights or it being a free for all.

 

[Cornelius]

Usually have two screens going:
Computer/TV/Playstation: Sunday ticket game
TV: Redzone

 

[BigBucs]

The problem with flexing MNF, is that CBS & FOX are already annoyed that they get games plucked off their slate for SNF. I'm sure the NFL would love to flex MNF, but they can't completely take a shit on the Sunday afternoon TV partners. Talking them into flexing for SNF was hard enough. CBS & FOX pay a shit ton of money, and with each new national package, they lose more & more marquee games.

Then do away with MNF all together, wont happen but fuck the shitty ass games they have had this season. There is a reason they are on primetime, we dont want no bumfuck teams on primetime television. Leave that shit for Thur night. Fox and CBS can deal with having 11 out of 12-16 games to choose from.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Then do away with MNF all together, wont happen but fuck the shitty ass games they have had this season. There is a reason they are on primetime, we dont want no bumfuck teams on primetime television. Leave that shit for Thur night. Fox and CBS can deal with having 11 out of 12-16 games to choose from.

I never thought Id say it but I wouldnt mind. Seriously SNF has taken those reigns and MNF is an after thought to everyone I know. Its not an event anymore ..Im not sure if ratings will back me up but on the interwebz and IRL I simply dont see people getting hyped for MNF as they did many years ago. Too many other options IMO even for me.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

MNF was a Pete Roselle baby and designed to funnel an entire nation of football audience to one game. One of the primary reasons for its success was because viewership on Sunday was so split MNF created a single game during prime time hours for every fan to watch and discuss. That notion is not antiquated IMO. Its one of the few things keeping things normal.

I said Directv/NFL. Directv has been a pioneer in using DVR and its "computer" abilities for about a decade now. There cash cow has been the NFL Sunday ticket its there attempts to make there packages unique and to add to the NFL package that led the way for most of what I stated. Regardless of where it premiered first )most of which started for non sports reasons). DTV was the primary pusher of these in menu on screen displays and use of hard drives in order to package there sports. Im not really interested in patent hunting as my point is there partnership is the reason it became prominent and used. Comcast , TWC , Dish and others were so busy trying to figure out what to do about cable cards they missed the boat on a bunch of tech jumps. DTV basically lifted a bunch of stuff from Tivo and kicked them to the curb to make there own DVR. In the same way iPhone didnt really invent anything just borrowed and pushed things further DTV/NFL partnership allowed these things to flourish. I can assure you these things would still be niche items or rarely seen features if not for NFL/DTV.

At the end of the day NFL sunday ticket is by far and away the most option filled sports package anywhere. My opinion is that never happens with Comcast or TWC holding rights or it being a free for all.

No, you said...and I quote...

NFL has been a massive leader in broadcasting changes. Much as I hate monopolies there is no dispute that DTV/NFL combo have pushed sports broadcasting of the NFL miles ahead of all other sports.

What I quoted and what I bolded is just false. DirecTV wasn't a pioneer in using DVR and in-screen interactive interfaces...TiVo was doing it as well as other companies.

Also, their "attempts to make there packages unique and to add to the NFL package that led..." is also false...everything you see on Sunday Ticket was done with other spots YEARS prior...mostly Major League Baseball.

You assurance that these items would be niche is ridiculous...TiVo was booming and was selling their technology to all of the highest bidders, they still are...DTV didn't kick TiVo the curb, they still work with them. Hell, their DVR is still called TiVo DVR for Christ's Sake.

Dude, your posts are filled with inaccuracies. Stop posting.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

MNF was a Pete Roselle baby and designed to funnel an entire nation of football audience to one game. One of the primary reasons for its success was because viewership on Sunday was so split MNF created a single game during prime time hours for every fan to watch and discuss. That notion is not antiquated IMO. Its one of the few things keeping things normal.

I said Directv/NFL. Directv has been a pioneer in using DVR and its "computer" abilities for about a decade now. There cash cow has been the NFL Sunday ticket its there attempts to make there packages unique and to add to the NFL package that led the way for most of what I stated. Regardless of where it premiered first )most of which started for non sports reasons). DTV was the primary pusher of these in menu on screen displays and use of hard drives in order to package there sports. Im not really interested in patent hunting as my point is there partnership is the reason it became prominent and used. Comcast , TWC , Dish and others were so busy trying to figure out what to do about cable cards they missed the boat on a bunch of tech jumps. DTV basically lifted a bunch of stuff from Tivo and kicked them to the curb to make there own DVR. In the same way iPhone didnt really invent anything just borrowed and pushed things further DTV/NFL partnership allowed these things to flourish. I can assure you these things would still be niche items or rarely seen features if not for NFL/DTV.

At the end of the day NFL sunday ticket is by far and away the most option filled sports package anywhere. My opinion is that never happens with Comcast or TWC holding rights or it being a free for all.

No, you said...and I quote...

NFL has been a massive leader in broadcasting changes. Much as I hate monopolies there is no dispute that DTV/NFL combo have pushed sports broadcasting of the NFL miles ahead of all other sports.

What I quoted and what I bolded is just false. DirecTV wasn't a pioneer in using DVR and in-screen interactive interfaces...TiVo was doing it as well as other companies.

Also, their "attempts to make there packages unique and to add to the NFL package that led..." is also false...everything you see on Sunday Ticket was done with other spots YEARS prior...mostly Major League Baseball.

You assurance that these items would be niche is ridiculous...TiVo was booming and was selling their technology to all of the highest bidders, they still are...DTV didn't kick TiVo the curb, they still work with them. Hell, their DVR is still called TiVo DVR for Christ's Sake.

Dude, your posts are filled with inaccuracies. Stop posting.

Stop confusing marketing with advancement of a product. Your Apple comparison included.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Let's say something else came along that captured people's imaginations the way fantasy football has, and for whatever reason the fantasy fad either died out or withered away to a point it became insignificant.

How much damage would this do to the league?

In other words, where as gambling was THE driving force behind the growth of the NFL and it's emergence as the real national pastime, a fact which can probably not be disputed, how much of the attraction of the NFL has been taken over by the less threatening (to the league) fantasy explosion?

Loaded question...

I think the Fantasy aspect has minimized the backlash over stupid new rules. People used to make a ruckus over any small change the NFL made regardless if it was for the better or not. NFL is constantly changing things and changes as much year over year as it used to decade to decade. "More points" has been the result and has kept many naysayers at bay. If in 10 years the dominant form of watching content was in mobile internet based programming I think the NFL can change pretty damn dramatically. Not sci-fi movie extreme...but "ugh I really dont feel like watching this" kinda changes the NFL already has reached for many.
MLB was perfect for radio era. NFL was perfect for TV era. I wonder what will happen to it in order to make it a fit for the mobile era.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

No, you said...and I quote...



What I quoted and what I bolded is just false. DirecTV wasn't a pioneer in using DVR and in-screen interactive interfaces...TiVo was doing it as well as other companies.

Also, their "attempts to make there packages unique and to add to the NFL package that led..." is also false...everything you see on Sunday Ticket was done with other spots YEARS prior...mostly Major League Baseball.

You assurance that these items would be niche is ridiculous...TiVo was booming and was selling their technology to all of the highest bidders, they still are...DTV didn't kick TiVo the curb, they still work with them. Hell, their DVR is still called TiVo DVR for Christ's Sake.

Dude, your posts are filled with inaccuracies. Stop posting.

Stop confusing marketing with advancement of a product. Your Apple comparison included.

You have no idea what youre talking about.


TIVO was used by Directv ,DTV kicked them to the curb and used a bunch of there software and implemented it into there own DVR with numerous new features and encoding Tivo refused to change to. Similar thing happened to them in the UK. DTV was the lone reason Tivos became capable of dual recording. Multi channels on the screen was all DTV. Please cite me where else this was going on as part of regular packaging. Tivo post seperation was debuting AD space overlays while DTV was putting out there first units capable of channel mixes and all other features described above.

TiVo was booming and was selling their technology to all of the highest bidders, they still are...DTV didn't kick TiVo the curb, they still work with them. Hell, their DVR is still called TiVo DVR for Christ's Sake.

Tivo thrived for about a 2-3 year span in the late 90s early 00 when rival Replaytv was sued into oblivion. Tivo was dying a slow death until it was essentially saved from bankruptcy by DTV money in 01. After DTV stopped using there S/W in 05 Tivo had to sue the shit out of everyone who used there product to stay alive (as others were following DTVs lead state side). DTV and Tivo eventually came to terms to avoid litigation as they both borrowed from each other.

Are we going to go back to the advent of picture in picture to try and dissect a point ?

At the end of the day DTV because of its needs and in short the NFLs needs and plans began implementing or creating every facet that we see now. DTV used new mix and sports channel mix , PopUp sports guides , YES network , NCAA and others as beta tests for there software because the NFL was the package that was going to bring in new subs. Putting every piece of interactive broadcasting available into its baby is why NFL is the leader in presentation.

At this point I have no idea what your disputing or why. What sports beats the NFL Sunday ticket in programming packages and option ? Where else were you getting shortcuts and multi on screen channels in 2004 ? Why does it matter if hockey pucks glowed when in the end FOX putting it to use for the NFL is why it flourished ?

You simply have your facts screwed up and are deviating from the point.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

You have no idea what youre talking about.


TIVO was used by Directv ,DTV kicked them to the curb and used a bunch of there software and implemented it into there own DVR with numerous new features and encoding Tivo refused to change to. Similar thing happened to them in the UK. DTV was the lone reason Tivos became capable of dual recording. Multi channels on the screen was all DTV. Please cite me where else this was going on as part of regular packaging. Tivo post seperation was debuting AD space overlays while DTV was putting out there first units capable of channel mixes and all other features described above.

Tivo thrived for about a 2-3 year span in the late 90s early 00 when rival Replaytv was sued into oblivion. Tivo was dying a slow death until it was essentially saved from bankruptcy by DTV money in 01. After DTV stopped using there S/W in 05 Tivo had to sue the shit out of everyone who used there product to stay alive (as others were following DTVs lead state side). DTV and Tivo eventually came to terms to avoid litigation as they both borrowed from each other.

Are we going to go back to the advent of picture in picture to try and dissect a point ?

At the end of the day DTV because of its needs and in short the NFLs needs and plans began implementing or creating every facet that we see now. DTV used new mix and sports channel mix , PopUp sports guides , YES network , NCAA and others as beta tests for there software because the NFL was the package that was going to bring in new subs. Putting every piece of interactive broadcasting available into its baby is why NFL is the leader in presentation.

At this point I have no idea what your disputing or why. What sports beats the NFL Sunday ticket in programming packages and option ? Where else were you getting shortcuts and multi on screen channels in 2004 ? Why does it matter if hockey pucks glowed when in the end FOX putting it to use for the NFL is why it flourished ?

You simply have your facts screwed up and are deviating from the point.

You must be drunk, this shit is so wrong, its silly, and the fact that you don't even know WHAT you're arguing just further proves that. I couldn't have laid it out anymore clearly and this post does nothing to refute anything I've said.

The NFL under no circumstances, outside of OOMP, has innovated or invented anything...DirecTV using technology as beta for other packages YEARS before the NFL incorporates it is absolutely silly and has zero grounds for anything you are typing.

The NFL isn't the leader in presentation at all...that would be MLB. Outside of OOMB (of which they debuted a year later FWIW), they have been on the cusp of nearly everything you see in a broadcast for other sports. Everything you see during a broadcast was used for and by MLB first. DTV has taken an insane amount of technology from other companies. As for all of the bells and whistles you are talking about...Extra Innings had those when they joined other broadcasting companies, which I want to say is around 01/02 around there. Stuff like "Game Mix" and whatever you want to title stuff like the RZC or MLB's "StrikeZone" was done first on NBATV when you had ol Rick Kamla guiding you through what you saw on the screen and where to watch. They started a lot of that stuff online before it was transitioned over to TV.

Your example to Apple earlier in this own thread is about as spot on as can be...they don't invest or innovate anything...but they market the fuck out of it and make it easily accessible to the GenPop...you are now trying to enter the spin zone of trying to justify them as being leaders in the market. You are out of your mind.

I've done extensive research on this when I was in college...you are so wrong on many levels in this discussion...I'm not going to bust out a 25 page paper on the subject...I'm just going to leave it as, you are wrong. Fin. Continue on.

If you want to tell me that the NFL has innovated and gave points that included Steve Sabol's videography techniques or mic'd up coaches and players...sure. You telling me that the NFL's current broadcast format is their own doing? Laughable.