Intresting arctilce on Favre-Thompson situation

[MrBill]

When I think of wasted picks, I think of guys like David Terrell, Curtis Enis, Tim Couch, etc. Never knew a QB who throws for 4000/28 in a season could be lumped in with those guys.

It was not wasted in that Rodgers is not a good player, it was wasted because QB was not an area of need 5 years ago. Favre did not begin the "will he or won't he" routine until after Rodgers was drafted. Thompson was trying to send a message to Favre by making his first pick as GM a QB instead of going after a lineman or other area of need.

Since that one good pick, Thompson has ignored free agency outside of Charles Woodson and ran the roster into the ground.

 

[Senser81]

It was not wasted in that Rodgers is not a good player, it was wasted because QB was not an area of need 5 years ago.

Rodgers wasn't drafted to start immediately. He was going to be Favre's successor, which he became. If you recall, Rodgers dropped about 20 spots in the first round, and the Packers were able to grab a franchise QB at the end of the 1st round. I'd call that a damn good pick. Would you rather the Packers have selected Chris Spencer, Fabian Washington, or Matt Jones?

LOL at Thompson "trying to send a message to Favre". I agree that Thompson has made some bonehead moves as GM, but there is no way that Thompson could have known beforehand that Rodgers would drop that far in the 1st round.

 

[MrBill]

Rodgers wasn't drafted to start immediately. He was going to be Favre's successor, which he became. If you recall, Rodgers dropped about 20 spots in the first round, and the Packers were able to grab a franchise QB at the end of the 1st round. I'd call that a damn good pick. Would you rather the Packers have selected Chris Spencer, Fabian Washington, or Matt Jones?

LOL at Thompson "trying to send a message to Favre". I agree that Thompson has made some bonehead moves as GM, but there is no way that Thompson could have known beforehand that Rodgers would drop that far in the 1st round.

Rodgers is good, I don't think anybody disputes that. He did nothing, however, to help put the Packers over the hump to win a Superbowl while there was a core of players there to build upon. We had better enjoy him while we can because he will not last this season if he stays on track for 60 sacks.

Thompson and McCarthy are through this year if the Packers don't make the playoffs and I don't think that is a shocking prediction.

 

[bucky]

Thompson was trying to send a message to Favre by making his first pick as GM a QB instead of going after a lineman or other area of need.

Brett was 35 years old....."35 years old". How long do you want the GM to wait before looking for a replacement? It was a very good draft selection. A no brainer.

It takes 2-3 years to groom a guy. Now your banking on Brett not retiring until he's 38.

 

[Spidey]

Thompson and McCarthy are through this year if the Packers don't make the playoffs and I don't think that is a shocking prediction.

HEY!!!! We agree on something!!!

If they don't make the playoffs both deserve to be gone. However I think its more likely TT fires MM to buy himself another year. MM would take the fall (which he would deserve) but TT would deserve to fall too.

 

[Tailback U]

I stopped reading when I got to this spot in the article.

That's right. Halfway through the season Favre is the clear-cut MVP. It ain't even close. Right now Favre is sportsman of the year. That's not hyperbole.

Not even close? Guess this guy isn't aware of a QB in New Orleans tearing shit up right now.

Drew Brees is doing the same thing he's done for the past couple of seasons, the only difference is that the Saints have a defense now, that's why they are undefeated.

I'm a huge Brees fan but let's be real here, that defense is the reason why the Saints are undefeated right now instead of .500 like they were at this point last season.

Favre and the Vikings are the complete opposite. The Vikings always had a strong defense along with a strong running game. Yet they only managed to stay above .500 by 2 or 3 games. Make no mistake about it, if Tavares Jackson was still QB for the Vikings they would be around .500 right now or even worse.

I'm not ragging on Rodgers. He is piling up insane stats so all is right with the world. The thing is that the author of that article makes a good point in that Rodgers was a wasted pick because QB was not an area of need 5 years ago in Green Bay. Thompson could have used some of those draft picks he spent over the past few years on the areas of need that the current team clearly has, as well as, spending some of the massive amount of $$ under the cap on some quality FA's to fill the gaps.

The Packers were just a couple of players away from strong Superbowl contention. There was no need to bust up the team just to rebuild with only guys that Thompson drafted.

1st Round QB picks since 2005 (other than Rodgers):

Alex Smith
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Matt Ryan*
Joe Flacco*
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

* Packers did not have a 1st round draft pick in 2008.

After looking at that list, how glad are you that the Packers took Rodgers in 05?

 

[MrBill]

1st Round QB picks since 2005 (other than Rodgers):

Alex Smith
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Matt Ryan*
Joe Flacco*
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

* Packers did not have a 1st round draft pick in 2008.

After looking at that list, how glad are you that the Packers took Rodgers in 05?

Still not jumping with glee over it. Remember that Rodgers was gaining a reputation a glass jaw since he couldn't even get into game action for a single play without breaking his foot or tearing his hamstring. Of course he has put that behind him now but that is hindsight. A lot of Green Bay fans were ready to throw Rodgers on the scrap heap and take Brady Quinn a few years ago.

Knowing what we know today, Rodgers is better than most of those guys but Tom Brady nor Brett Favre were taken in the 1st round so you don't have to have a 1st round pick to find a franchise QB.

 

[Primetime]

opcorn:

I think we can all agree here that Ted Thompson is a complete idiot, and Brett Favre is God-like.

 

[citizenerased]

Still not jumping with glee over it. Remember that Rodgers was gaining a reputation a glass jaw since he couldn't even get into game action for a single play without breaking his foot or tearing his hamstring. Of course he has put that behind him now but that is hindsight. A lot of Green Bay fans were ready to throw Rodgers on the scrap heap and take Brady Quinn a few years ago.

Knowing what we know today, Rodgers is better than most of those guys but Tom Brady nor Brett Favre were taken in the 1st round so you don't have to have a 1st round pick to find a franchise QB.

I can still remember Aaron going spastic in the life draft topic over on MM at the thought on Brady Quinn, he was probably the only person on the planet more pissed off then the Dolphins fans that day.

 

[JMeist]

honestly if brett was so damn good why did we have 3 down years in a row and everyone was beginning to call for his head?

Minnesota has a complete team.. The Packers have a talented defense that gets shredded week in and week out and a busted offensive line.

 

[JMeist]

Rodgers is good, I don't think anybody disputes that. He did nothing, however, to help put the Packers over the hump to win a Superbowl while there was a core of players there to build upon. We had better enjoy him while we can because he will not last this season if he stays on track for 60 sacks.

Thompson and McCarthy are through this year if the Packers don't make the playoffs and I don't think that is a shocking prediction.

They're here for another year.. The switch to the 3-4 defense saves them 1 more year.

 

[The Buddha]

I like how Bill says Rodgers did nothing to help the team last year, but fails to mention how many times the defense blew a 4th quarter lead late in the game last year....but my bad i forgot Favre could play D and not all that to happen.

 

[MrBill]

honestly if brett was so damn good why did we have 3 down years in a row and everyone was beginning to call for his head?

Sherman was even more of a bozo as GM/coach than the duo of Thompson/McCarthy. All they had to do to look good was be better than Sherman....lol

I like how Bill says Rodgers did nothing to help the team last year, but fails to mention how many times the defense blew a 4th quarter lead late in the game last year....but my bad i forgot Favre could play D and not all that to happen.

If you start throwing in defenses blowing games in Green Bay as an excuse for Rodgers, then you have to let Favre off of the hook for game ending INT's in the divisional round against the Eagles (4th and 26) and the NFC championship game against the Giants (Plax 11/160 and only the Giants kicker missing a few FG's in the 4th sent it to OT).

Of course it is stupid to play that blame game and at the end of the day the only thing to judge a QB on is wins and losses. You know how that story plays out.

 

[Senser81]

If you start throwing in defenses blowing games in Green Bay as an excuse for Rodgers, then you have to let Favre off of the hook for game ending INT's in the divisional round against the Eagles (4th and 26) and the NFC championship game against the Giants (Plax 11/160 and only the Giants kicker missing a few FG's in the 4th sent it to OT).

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They have very little to do with one another. Also, in both those playoff games, the Packers only let the opposing team tie them, and the Packers still had chances to win the game. The INTs by Favre were horrendous no matter how you look at them. Especially the Eagles one, because the Packers run game was chewing up Philly's D. No need to heave one up for grabs.

Did you see the Packers-Bucs game? Are you going to blame Rodgers for throwing the end-of-game INT? Just curious.

 

[MrBill]

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They have very little to do with one another. Also, in both those playoff games, the Packers only let the opposing team tie them, and the Packers still had chances to win the game. The INTs by Favre were horrendous no matter how you look at them. Especially the Eagles one, because the Packers run game was chewing up Philly's D. No need to heave one up for grabs.

Did you see the Packers-Bucs game? Are you going to blame Rodgers for throwing the end-of-game INT? Just curious.

The Packers run game was chewing up Philly in that playoff game. So why on 3rd and goal at the 1 did Sherman call a fancy delayed run and then settle for a FG when Green got stuffed at the line and then later in the game when it was 4th and a foot did he punt to the Eagles when a first down would have ran out the clock? Poor coaching from the Green Bay sideline has hurt both Favre and Rodgers over the years.

And yes, I did watch the Packers-Bucs game and Rodgers had 3 picks (as many as Favre has all year) and I do blame him for the stupid throw at the end of the game. The Packers were only down by 3 and he could have gotten the team into FG range. It was 3rd and 17, no need to heave up a duck into tight coverage.

 

[Senser81]

And yes, I did watch the Packers-Bucs game and Rodgers had 3 picks (as many as Favre has all year) and I do blame him for the stupid throw at the end of the game. The Packers were only down by 3 and he could have gotten the team into FG range. It was 3rd and 17, no need to heave up a duck into tight coverage.

It was 4th and 12, the Packers were about 70 yards away from FG range, and there were about 30 seconds left.

Once again, you never let the facts get in the way of a good "argument".

 

[MrBill]

It was 4th and 12, the Packers were about 70 yards away from FG range, and there were about 30 seconds left.

Once again, you never let the facts get in the way of a good "argument".

Then you might need to tell Aaron Rodgers because I was reading his post game comments earlier this morning on the JS Packer Plus blog...

The first one, I didn't see him. Tried to kind of put it in there against the wind. Felt good about the second ball. Unfortunately got a little deflection there. And then the third one is third and 17 or whatever....Third or fourth down, think it was desperation. Still felt good about the throw but may have been a little bit high.

 

[Senser81]

Then you might need to tell Aaron Rodgers because I was reading his post game comments earlier this morning on the JS Packer Plus blog...

Thats nice. Still...you never let the facts get in the way of a good "argument".

 

[jeffx]

It's Jason Whitlock he's a fucking idiot.

Nothing but a shock journalist.

 

[Primetime]

Did you see the Packers-Bucs game? Are you going to blame Rodgers for throwing the end-of-game INT? Just curious.

To be fair, there was 52 seconds left at the beginning of the play. He needed roughly 60 yards to get a good shot at a field goal. Rodgers had 6+ seconds to throw and missed a clearly open Donald Driver. It was a horrible pass and inexcusable, but it's what he has always done in those situations.