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is Jonathan Martin a dumb ass or did someone do something to him worth talking about?

guys, these are the times you ignore r29j, like when a family matter gets serious and you tell your sassy preteen niece who likes make unintentional funny comments to leave the room

LOL excuse me but i'm right. Nothing major is going to go down when all is said and done. Incognito is a dumb ass but he hasn't for all intents committed some major crime. He wont be serving any jail time for this so I don't see how this is so important or really bad on some badness scale.
 
LOL excuse me but i'm right. Nothing major is going to go down when all is said and done. Incognito is a dumb ass but he hasn't for all intents committed some major crime. He wont be serving any jail time for this so I don't see how this is so important or really bad on some badness scale.

Losing your job = not major.
 
Losing your job = not major.

its not the same as being convicted of a major crime and that's all i'm referring to. And odds are he'll get another football job.
They kept giving PacMan chances so I don't see how Incognito cant as long as he has skills they want.
 
LOL excuse me but i'm right. Nothing major is going to go down when all is said and done. Incognito is a dumb ass but he hasn't for all intents committed some major crime. He wont be serving any jail time for this so I don't see how this is so important or really bad on some badness scale.

May I see this "badness scale"?

Which is worse, kid murder or elderly rape?
 
The thing about assholes is that they usually aren't as stupid as they seem. You want to bring Incognito up on charges for theft/fraud/assault/whatever that's fine by me, but if Martin couldn't even attempt to work his way out of these situations, the guy wasn't long for this league in the first place. Likewise, this isn't Middle School, someone's doing this shit to you, you have 3 options: a.) Head to the coach b.) head to a legal entity c.) punch the asshole in the face. It's a classic case of Incognito pushing it as far as he can before Martin pushed back, the thing is the guy never even tried to resist, at least it seems from all reports.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-talked-to-joe-philbin-about-issues-in-spring

Jonathan Martin talked to Joe Philbin about issues in spring
By Albert Breer

The Jonathan Martin situation just recently came to a head, but it's hardly new.

Multiple Miami Dolphins sources said Sunday that the offensive lineman approached coach Joe Philbin to discuss his issues during organized team activities in the spring. One team source said Martin's desire to even continue playing football had been questioned, but the team believed the situation was quelled after it was addressed at that time. Another source who has spoken to Martin said the second-year pro addressed his issues with the work environment in Miami at the meeting with Philbin, though a team source contended the Dolphins weren't aware of them until last week.

Internally, Dolphins officials wondered if the Bryant McKinnie trade two weeks ago -- done largely because of Martin's struggles at left tackle and the team's overall problems up front -- was responsible for Martin's issue bubbling up again last week. But according to a team source and a source close to the player, it was communicated to the Dolphins that Martin wasn't angry or dispirited over the deal.


The lunch-room prank that apparently sent Martin over the edge involved the offensive linemen, who would stand up and leave the table after the last one arrived with his food, leaving that person by himself. Multiple team sources characterized the prank as being fairly ordinary among the O-linemen. In fact, one source said Martin was part of the same prank when some players played it on guard Nate Garner one week earlier. Another source said Martin's O-line mates weren't aware of his previous problems or that he'd met with Philbin, which led those players to believe nothing was wrong.

Also at issue, according to a source close to Martin, was the $15,000 that teammates expected him to pay for a Las Vegas trip that he didn't attend.

The NFL Players Association released a statement Saturday saying it isn't conducting an investigation into how Dolphins teammates treated Martin, although executive director DeMaurice Smith told NFL Media's Jeff Darlington on Sunday that the situation is on the union's radar.

"Our job is to make sure that, as facts come in, we take a look at them," Smith said at FedEx Field before the Washington Redskins' game against the San Diego Chargers. "We take our job seriously about protecting and ensuring that the league and the clubs provide a safe workplace for our players. So, right now, our job is to make sure, as information comes in, we take a hard look at it and stay on top of the situation."

UPDATE: Incognito told Darlington on Sunday that he has been suspended indefinitely by the team. Philbin delivered the news to Incognito, and the Dolphins later confirmed the suspension for conduct detrimental to the team.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/98368/revisiting-incognito-and-the-rams


"I mean, we'd have practice the next morning, and I'm out until all hours of the night, running the town," Incognito told NFL.com over the summer. "Drinking. Doing drugs. I was doing everything that a professional athlete should not be doing."

Incognito’s failure to control his rage on the field was ultimately what led to his departure from St. Louis. In 44 games with the Rams, he racked up 38 penalties, including seven for unnecessary roughness, the most of any player during that timeframe.

The game he’s, perhaps, most remembered for –- and not in a good way –- was the Week 10 trip to Seattle in 2006 when he managed to pick up a personal foul and holding penalty after a Steven Jackson rushing touchdown had given the Rams a 22-21 lead with about two and a half minutes to go.

Those infractions cost the Rams 25 yards and a chance at a two-point conversion. Seattle eventually kicked a field goal and won 24-22. That loss loomed huge late in the year, when the Rams finished a game short of winning the NFC West to the Seahawks.

In 2009, Incognito was named the NFL’s dirtiest player by the Sporting News, an “award” voted on by a panel of 99 players. It was a designation that didn’t bother Incognito and one he actually took pride in, claiming other players didn’t care for his intensity level.

Through all of that, there were little to no signs that Incognito and his teammates didn’t get along. He was mostly well liked and respected by many of his teammates, particularly on offense because of his fearless attitude on the field and willingness to stand up for them in the heat of a game.

That doesn’t mean Incognito didn’t have his share of run-ins with teammates and even the fans. During one 2006 training camp practice, Incognito got into a pretty serious altercation with little-known cornerback Dwight Anderson.


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The fact that Incognito has a rep as a borderline psychopath dating back to his college days and that there were multiple teams that wanted nothing to do with him on draft day probably speaks volumes here.
 
The fact that Incognito has a rep as a borderline psychopath dating back to his college days and that there were multiple teams that wanted nothing to do with him on draft day probably speaks volumes here.

it also speaks volumes that he's played 7 years. Football wants crazy freaks who will do what it takes to win.

if the NFL banishes him he should sue the league. This not even as bad as what some guys get second and 3rd chances for every year in the league. Just sign him up for the stupid sensitivity training and move on.
 
it also speaks volumes that he's played 7 years. Football wants crazy freaks who will do what it takes to win.

if the NFL banishes him he should sue the league. This not even as bad as what some guys get second and 3rd chances for every year in the league. Just sign him up for the stupid sensitivity training and move on.

I think he should be banned from the league, and be given steps he needs to take to even be considered for reinstatement just like other NFL players that have gotten into serious trouble. Jolly had to wait to see if he got reinstated along with many others. It's then up to the commissioner to decide if he gets reinstated.

And why is it that TailbackU is the one on VSN that seems to have the most common sense?
 
I think he should be banned from the league, and be given steps he needs to take to even be considered for reinstatement just like other NFL players that have gotten into serious trouble. Jolly had to wait to see if he got reinstated along with many others. It's then up to the commissioner to decide if he gets reinstated.

And why is it that TailbackU is the one on VSN that seems to have the most common sense?

LOL none of your wants are remotely going to happen. He'll be in a camp next year if he isn't picked up by some team in playoff contention however the rules allow
 
it also speaks volumes that he's played 7 years. Football wants crazy freaks who will do what it takes to win.

if the NFL banishes him he should sue the league. This not even as bad as what some guys get second and 3rd chances for every year in the league. Just sign him up for the stupid sensitivity training and move on.

Just like you said tebow would get signed, right?

Per rotoworld:

One NFL personnel man told USA Today's Tom Pelissero that Richie Incognito's career is likely over.
Incognito bullied Dolphins OT Jonathan Martin to the point that he essentially had a mental meltdown and left the team. "Lol," the personnel man replied when asked by Pelissero whether Incognito will be claimed off waivers. "I think he can file his retirement papers." Incognito graded out as a top-13 guard in Pro Football Focus' ratings, so his loss is a concern on the field.

I think you are underestimating how serious this is to the nfl and the teams.

Not saying he won't eventually get back in because if Gregg Williams was allowed to return I have a hard time seeing them blackball incognito, but he is a blatant racist and psychopath. Not sure who would want him.
 
i think this entire thing has turned into a joke. now that the details have surfaced, Martin is a big fat pussy. What a fucking cry baby. This kind of shit goes on in every locker room across the league. This guy couldnt take it and like a little bitch, took his ball and went home. The only thing that is an issue is Icognitos use of the word nigger. Thats not called for in any situation these days. It crosses the line. But now, ESPN has decided to fuel the story by calling him a racist and a bigot and a bully.

This should have been handled in house, behind closed doors, among men. But instead, Martin cried like a bitch and is now fucking things up for all the other players.
 
Not saying he won't eventually get back in because if Gregg Williams was allowed to return I have a hard time seeing them blackball incognito, but he is a blatant racist and psychopath. Not sure who would want him.

Riley Cooper wants to know how you figure he is a racist?
 
Just like you said tebow would get signed, right?

Per rotoworld:



I think you are underestimating how serious this is to the nfl and the teams.

Not saying he won't eventually get back in because if Gregg Williams was allowed to return I have a hard time seeing them blackball incognito, but he is a blatant racist and psychopath. Not sure who would want him.

LOL where has any racism been proven ?
 
i think this entire thing has turned into a joke. now that the details have surfaced, Martin is a big fat pussy. What a fucking cry baby. This kind of shit goes on in every locker room across the league. This guy couldnt take it and like a little bitch, took his ball and went home. The only thing that is an issue is Icognitos use of the word nigger. Thats not called for in any situation these days. It crosses the line. But now, ESPN has decided to fuel the story by calling him a racist and a bigot and a bully.

This should have been handled in house, behind closed doors, among men. But instead, Martin cried like a bitch and is now fucking things up for all the other players.

What about the death threats? Or the threat to Martin's family?

You, like f16, are putting the blame on the victim and defending Incognito. Fucking dunces.
 
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