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Ton of entire story is Metta World Peace should be out relative to how badly Harden is injured

WUT.

LOS ANGELES -- The issue isn't how many games Metta World Peace will be suspended for elbowing James Harden, it's how many games Harden will miss because of the concussion he received in the process.

That's what matters most after Sunday's game took the one thing that seemed a certainty among the NBA upper class (the Oklahoma City Thunder's superiority over the Los Angeles Lakers), turned it upside down and shook a pocketful of questions loose.

Since we're fixated on visuals, the question that jumped into everyone's mind was how long will World Peace be suspended after his vicious elbow drew a flagrant-2 foul? According to this unofficial compilation of NBA fines and suspensions dating back to the 1994-95 season, elbow violations have been repeatedly subject to one- and two-game suspensions. Suspensions that last 10 games or more have generally been for punches thrown at players or fans. Or choking a coach. Or bringing guns into the locker room.

If World Peace gets anything more than two games it's because of prior reputation (even if he's worked so hard to scrub it clean during his time with the Lakers) or the current sports climate that includes calls for the NHL to curtail the excessive roughness in its playoffs and the continued fallout of the bounty scandal in the NFL.

The NBA should suspend World Peace indefinitely, see how many games (if any) Harden will miss, then tack on two to that number. Especially since we just witnessed a case study in Harden's value to the Thunder.

Oklahoma City's second-half offense without Harden devolved into Kevin Durant chucking jumpers and Russell Westbrook careening into the lane, both with minimal ball movement. Harden is the heart of the Thunder's second unit and provides a nice balance to Westbrook and Durant when he plays alongside them. Harden scored 14 points in little more than 13 minutes in the first half -- before World Peace clocked him. The seven guys besides Durant and Westbrook who played in the second half and both overtimes scored a total of 23 points in a combined 106 minutes. Durant wound up with 35 points, but he required 34 shots to get there. Westbrook shot 3-for-22.

Harden didn't play in the second half and will be re-evaluated under the league's new concussion guidelines to gauge his availability for the Thunder's final two regular-season games, against Sacramento and Denver. If Harden can't play in one or both of those games it could cost Oklahoma City a chance at the No. 1 seed and home-court advantage throughout the Western Conference playoffs.

So, yeah, it's kind of a big deal. You think the Lakers would have a 15-4 advantage in fourth-quarter free-throw attempts if this game had been played in Oklahoma City?

There isn't enough time for the Lakers to grab home court from Oklahoma City. But after beating the Thunder for the first time in three tries this season the Lakers can carry a glimmer of hope into a potential second-round playoff series with OKC that became a more likely to happen after L.A.'s victory kept the Lakers ahead of the Clippers in the third spot and the Thunder in the second spot (1 ½ games behind the Spurs). The Lakers did just fine with Devin Ebanks taking over World Peace's duties of guarding Kevin Durant. They even thrived with Jordan Hill replacing an ineffective Andrew Bynum.

After falling behind by 18 points, they got the game to their closer, brought the score to the point Kobe Bryant could make a pair of ridiculous 3-pointers, including a 1-foot-leaner as the shot clock expired. Their offensive execution, even with midseason acquisition Hill suddenly playing his most minutes as a Laker, was much better than Oklahoma City's. Bryant moved the ball enough to get eight assists in addition to scoring 26 points on 26 shots.

"I think the thing that helps is not so much that we beat Oklahoma, it's how we did when facing a deficit," Bryant said. "In the playoffs, particularly when you don't have home-court advantage, you're going to have games like this, and you're going to have to have the poise and confidence to just keep chipping away and get back in it."

I still think their playoff journey ends in Oklahoma City. And it's safe to guess it will begin without World Peace. He'll be gone for at least the regular-season finale in Sacramento and likely the first playoff game.

One neutral NBA team member called World Peace's shot the worst thing he's seen on a court since Kermit Washington punched Rudy Tomjanovich.

It just so happened that Tomjanovich, who provides statistical analysis for the Lakers, walked into the media room shortly afterward. When a replay of World Peace's play was about to come on a TV monitor just above our heads, he turned away right before World Peace flung the elbow. Later, another replay came on. This time Tomjanovich caught it, then looked down. Tomjanovich said the reason his play still stands out four decades later is so many punches thrown since then have missed. Fortunately.

For World Peace it's a setback in what had been a remarkable transformation from the instigator of the Malice in the Palace in 2004 to the recipient of the NBA's J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award last season.

"He was just so excited by the play that he just made, he saw somebody in his way, kinda, and reacted," Pau Gasol said, having had a chance to watch the replay. "I don't think he tried to elbow or hurt him in anyway. He was just so hyped up after the play, so emotional, he just let it go."

World Peace called the elbow unintentional and said, "I hope that he's OK and I apologize to the Thunder and to James Harden."

At the very least World Peace brought the focus back where it should be: on James Harden's well-being.
 
It wasn't inadvertent in making a basic basketball move, but he was in the middle of his celebration and Harden got in the way. I just don't think it was as bad as people want to make it out to be.
 

I love how Artest was saying he was trying to beat on his chest when before Artest even starts swinging his elbow he's already made contact with Harden so it's not as if Harden "walked into it". Harden was already standing there and already touching Artest when Arest goes to swing his elbow.


There's nothing "inadvertent" or celebratory about that elbow. What fucking celebration was Artest trying to pull off?
 
I'm trying to figure out why people are making such a big deal over this. Artest dunks, celebrates, Harden gets in the way and during Artest's celebration he inadvertently elbow's Harden in the head.....given his history fine him, suspend him for about 2-3 games and move on.

Inadvertently? It was very clear that Metta World Peace got a little Artesty and raised his elbow to hit Harden in the side of the head at the end of his dunk celebration. I do agree with Skip Bayless (scary to say that...) that Harden purposely put himself in the way of the dunk celebration to either try and cut it short or just tweak MWP in hopes that he would do what he did.
 
Given his history Artest doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and IMO this is what the story is about. However, I honestly don't believe Artest set out to knock Harden in the head......he was celebrating and Harden got in the way.....I see it as one of those I dunked, I'm a Man, get out of my way sort of things. AsI said fine him, suspend him for 2-3 games and move on.....it wasn't that serious.
 
Inadvertently? It was very clear that Metta World Peace got a little Artesty and raised his elbow to hit Harden in the side of the head at the end of his dunk celebration. I do agree with Skip Bayless (scary to say that...) that Harden purposely put himself in the way of the dunk celebration to either try and cut it short or just tweak MWP in hopes that he would do what he did.

Great post.

It doesn't make Artest right, it does explain why he elbowed Harden.

It's not like he ran 84 feet up the court and just randomly decked Harden.
 
...Harden was getting in position for an inbound, the fuck you want him to do dive out of the way because some shithead like Artest is pounding his chest after a dunk. Moreover, if he got in his way Artest can just kind of you know... run into him. I'm not sure why he's unable to perform basic functions like controlling his arms or in this case elbow.

Apparently also the part of the celebration in pounding his chest had him rear back an elbow.
 
Given his history Artest doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and IMO this is what the story is about. However, I honestly don't believe Artest set out to knock Harden in the head......he was celebrating and Harden got in the way.....I see it as one of those I dunked, I'm a Man, get out of my way sort of things. AsI said fine him, suspend him for 2-3 games and move on.....it wasn't that serious.

Actually, it is that serious. With the growing concern over head injuries taking an elbow to the side of the head during a professional sporting event is a huge deal.
 
Actually, it is that serious. With the growing concern over head injuries taking an elbow to the side of the head during a professional sporting event is a huge deal.

:leake:


Thank you Roger Goodell.

Much like steriods people are just overreacting to the head injuries thing. Its' an issue in football, hockey, etc, but not really in basketball.
 
...Harden was getting in position for an inbound, the fuck you want him to do dive out of the way because some shithead like Artest is pounding his chest after a dunk. Moreover, if he got in his way Artest can just kind of you know... run into him. I'm not sure why he's unable to perform basic functions like controlling his arms or in this case elbow.

Apparently also the part of the celebration in pounding his chest had him rear back an elbow.

That's what I don't get about it. He is trying to say he was pounding his chest..which he did with one arm..then he runs into Harden, rears back an elbow and slams it into the back of Harden's head as part of pounding his chest with his other arm..even though there is no semblance of symmetry with the move he just did with his other arm.

Artest is a fucking nut job.
 
:leake:


Thank you Roger Goodell.

Much like steriods people are just overreacting to the head injuries thing. Its' an issue in football, hockey, etc, but not really in basketball.

The overreaction on the NFL and NHL's behalf is more of a response to the complete lack of reaction for the past 40-50 years.

And no shit, I know it's not an issue in basketball... until somebody elbows another guy in the temple.
 
Artest should be suspended the rest of the season and playoffs. He fuckin elbowed the dude in the head, it wasn't inadvertent at all.

Overreact much?

This is what I'm talking about when I say people making it out to be somthing it wasn't. This is a story because of his history and nothing more.....guys have punched people and only got 10 games. Kevin Love stomps on a guys chest and gets 2 games. The public outcry and his history will probably make it a more severe suspension, but suspending him for the rest of the season and the playoffs is going overboard.
 
I don't think he should be the whole rest of the season and playoffs but it certainly should be a good handful of games, probably 5-6 games, especially given who we're talking about. It's not really fair to make him pay for past things but that's life.
 
The overreaction on the NFL and NHL's behalf is more of a response to the complete lack of reaction for the past 40-50 years.

And no shit, I know it's not an issue in basketball... until somebody elbows another guy in the temple.

It's really not an issue in baskeball until former players start to sue the NBA....like they are going in the NFL.
 
Overreact much?

This is what I'm talking about when I say people making it out to be somthing it wasn't. This is a story because of his history and nothing more.....guys have punched people and only got 10 games. Kevin Love stomps on a guys chest and gets 2 games. The public outcry and his history will probably make it a more severe suspension, but suspending him for the rest of the season an playoffs is going overboard.
With all due respect..you said the elbow was inadvertent and Harden simply "walked into it".

Taking a guys history into account is an obvious factor. Human nature dictates we treat repeat offenders more harshly on everything...so why are you seemingly acting shocked by this?
 
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