Jim Brown Highlights

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Lol I cant believe this. Half of you never saw the guy actually play, and after one rape of a highlight tape he is the greatest of all time.

LOL, do you really need to see him play? Anyone with half a brain knows that Jim Brown was the GOAT.

Ask your dad about him, read about him, watch some more NFL Films footage. He literally couldn't be stopped, ever. Can you say that about any NFL running back?

No.

Barry Sanders led the league in negative plays every year. Emmitt Smith can't hold a candle to Jim Brown either. Neither could Walter Payton. You put JB in any era and he would be a great running back, he was 6'2 230 with speed, balance and agility. Plus the power.

He was like Earl Campbell mixed with Gale Sayers. Why do I need to see him play to say that?

That's like saying Babe Ruth wasn't a great player because you haven't seen him play, despite the fact that he was hitting 60 HRs when the next highest total was in the teens.


EDIT- from wiki:

Brown was taken in the first round of the 1956 draft by the Cleveland Browns[9]. He departed as the NFL record holder for both single-season (1,863 in 1963) and career rushing (12,312 yards), as well as the all-time leader in rushing touchdowns (106), total touchdowns (126), and all-purpose yards (15,549). He was the first player ever to reach the 100-rushing-touchdowns milestone, and only a few others have done so since, despite the league's expansion to a 16-game season in 1978 (Brown's first four seasons were only 12 games, and his last five were 14 games). Brown also set a record by reaching the 100-touchdown milestone in only 93 games, which stood until LaDainian Tomlinson reached it in 89 games during the 2006 season. Brown holds the record for total seasons leading the NFL in all-purpose yards (5: 1958–1961, 1964), and is the only rusher in NFL history to average over 100 yards per game for a career. Brown was also a superb receiver out of the backfield, catching 262 passes for 2,499 yards and 20 touchdowns. Every season he played, Brown was voted into the Pro Bowl, and he left the league in style by scoring three touchdowns in his final Pro Bowl game. Perhaps the most amazing feat is that Jim Brown accomplished these records despite never playing past 29 years of age. Brown's 6 games with at least 4 touchdowns remains an NFL record. LaDainian Tomlinson and Marshall Faulk both have five games with 4 touchdowns.

Brown's 1,863 rushing yards in the 1963 season remain a Cleveland franchise record. It is currently the oldest franchise record for rushing yards out of all 32 NFL teams. While others have compiled more prodigious statistics, when viewing Brown's standing in the game his style of running must be considered along with statistical measures. He was very difficult to tackle (shown by his leading 5.2 yards per carry), often requiring more than one person to bring him down.
Brown retired far ahead of the second-leading rusher and remains the league's eighth all-time leading rusher, and is still the Cleveland Browns all-time leading rusher.

All of this in just 118 career games. Emmitt played in 226. (Even Barry Sanders, who also retired early, played in 153)

 

[FirstTimer]

Barry Sanders is my GOAT

Just no.

LOL, do you really need to see him play? Anyone with half a brain knows that Jim Brown was the GOAT.

Ask your dad about him, read about him, watch some more NFL Films footage. He literally couldn't be stopped, ever. Can you say that about any NFL running back?

No.

Barry Sanders led the league in negative plays every year. Emmitt Smith can't hold a candle to Jim Brown either. Neither could Walter Payton. You put JB in any era and he would be a great running back, he was 6'2 230 with speed, balance and agility. Plus the power.

He was like Earl Campbell mixed with Gale Sayers. Why do I need to see him play to say that?

That's like saying Babe Ruth wasn't a great player because you haven't seen him play, despite the fact that he was hitting 60 HRs when the next highest total was in the teens.


EDIT- from wiki:





All of this in just 118 career games. Emmitt played in 226. (Even Barry Sanders, who also retired early, played in 153)

Gun to my head I say Brown is the GOAT. I have Payton close to him though. Many times I have them listed as 1a-1b. Jim Brown translates to any era though so I'd give him the #1 spot and not feel bad though. No way you can convince me though that Payton wasn't #2 all time.

 

[Derrville]

Looks like a real life Madden highlight vid.

 

[Fox1994]

Just no.




Gun to my head I say Brown is the GOAT. I have Payton close to him though. Many times I have them listed as 1a-1b. Jim Brown translates to any era though so I'd give him the #1 spot and not feel bad though. No way you can convince me though that Payton wasn't #2 all time.

I'd say:
1 Jim Brown
2 Walter Payton and Barry Sanders
4 Emmitt Smith
5 Gale Sayers or LaDainian Tomlinson

 

[DoubleDeuce]

I'd put Jim Brown at #2 halfback of all time, behind Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan only plays quarterbacks because he doesn't want to break every record ever.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'd say:
1 Jim Brown
2 Walter Payton and Barry Sanders
4 Emmitt Smith
5 Gale Sayers or LaDainian Tomlinson

I disagree with the placement of all these players.

 

[Champ]

Why I would never pick anyone from that generation as the best ever is...... they didnt have to deal with Defensives and Linebackers running sub 4.5s.

 

[Fox1994]

I disagree with the placement of all these players.

I'm not offended bro. Elaborate. Explain to me why.

 

[Marley]

1. Jim Brown
2. Barry Sanders
3. Walter Payton
4. Emmitt Smith
5. Gale Sayers

 

[DoubleDeuce]

I disagree with the placement of all these players.

Why do you disagree with Barry Sanders?

 

[Fox1994]

He probably wants Emmitt higher and Gale lower... And LDT off... or LDT higher...

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not offended bro. Elaborate. Explain to me why.

Top 10 Running Backs of All-Time

1a. Jim Brown
1b. Walter Payton

3. Emmitt Smith

4. Barry Sanders
5. Marshall Faulk
6. Eric Dickerson
7. Jerome Bettis
8. LaDanian Tomlinson
9. Tony Dorsett
10. OJ Simpson

Just missed the list: Gale Sayers(What could have been...) Earl Campbell, Curtis Martin, Franco Harris, Lenny Moore, Thurman Thomas

Why do you disagree with Barry Sanders?

Barry wasn't the complete back the guys like Payton, Emmitt, and Brown were IMO. To be considered the top 2 or 3 all time at the position you have to be the complete package. I'm not saying Barry wasn't a tremendous back or an all-time great but there were guys that had a more well rounded game than Barry so when discussing the top 3 backs of all-time I never even really have Sanders in the conversation. Smith gets major points for being much more of a redzone threat and being a better pass catcher. Frankly, the only "conversation" there really is is between Payton and Brown and as I already said I lean towards Brown.

Top running back of all time to me in the Top 4 is pretty simple. It's Brown, Payton.....Smith..Sanders. Anybody else in the top 4 makes no sense. 5-10 it gets much more interesting. Honestly the debate of who fills out the Top 10 is more interesting than who makes out the Top 4 because in my mind there really isn't much debate to who belongs there and really what order they go in.

He probably wants Emmitt higher and Gale lower... And LDT off... or LDT higher...

Gale was a great runner but I find a lot of times he gets too much credit for the "what could have been" factor when you can say that about a lot of guys. I tend to put him just outside my Top 10 with an asterisk. Sayers though did have the greatest rookie season of all time though and was an all-time great but I think there are so many other guys that had longer careers who were also great that having Sayers in the Top 10 doesn't quite jive with me.

 

[Blade]

Jim Brown was a freak when he came into the league. No one had encountered anyone with that combination of size, speed and strength. There wasn't one defensive player stronger than him out there, and thats why he was constantly breaking tackles.

Now Barry Sander's speed still gets me. Maybe he wasn't as big, but he was still strong enough to break tackles of much larger defensive players. And once he broke open, I swear the dude was running on the tips of his toes. Frikkin nuts how fast he was.

 

[Senser81]

My RB list based on running ability, not career achievements...

1) Jim Brown
2) Gale Sayers
3) OJ Simpson
4) Barry Sanders
5) Walter Payton
6) Earl Campbell
7) Hugh McEllhenny
8) Leroy Kelly
9) Emmitt Smith
10) LaDainian Tomlinson

 

[Marley]

Top 10 Running Backs of All-Time

1a. Jim Brown
1b. Walter Payton

3. Emmitt Smith

4. Barry Sanders
5. Marshall Faulk
6. Eric Dickerson
7. Jerome Bettis
8. LaDanian Tomlinson
9. Tony Dorsett
10. OJ Simpson

Just missed the list: Gale Sayers(What could have been...) Earl Campbell, Curtis Martin, Franco Harris, Lenny Moore, Thurman Thomas

Barry wasn't the complete back the guys like Payton, Emmitt, and Brown were IMO. To be considered the top 2 or 3 all time at the position you have to be the complete package. I'm not saying Barry wasn't a tremendous back or an all-time great but there were guys that had a more well rounded game than Barry so when discussing the top 3 backs of all-time I never even really have Sanders in the conversation. Smith gets major points for being much more of a redzone threat and being a better pass catcher. Frankly, the only "conversation" there really is is between Payton and Brown and as I already said I lean towards Brown.

Top running back of all time to me in the Top 4 is pretty simple. It's Brown, Payton.....Smith..Sanders. Anybody else in the top 4 makes no sense. 5-10 it gets much more interesting. Honestly the debate of who fills out the Top 10 is more interesting than who makes out the Top 4 because in my mind there really isn't much debate to who belongs there and really what order they go in.


Gale was a great runner but I find a lot of times he gets too much credit for the "what could have been" factor when you can say that about a lot of guys. I tend to put him just outside my Top 10 with an asterisk. Sayers though did have the greatest rookie season of all time though and was an all-time great but I think there are so many other guys that had longer careers who were also great that having Sayers in the Top 10 doesn't quite jive with me.

Sure you could argue that Payton and Smith were more complete backs than Sanders, but doing what he did in 9 seasons behind a terrible OL and no help whatsoever on either side of the ball (he carried that team) is pretty amazing.

Smith had help from Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, etc. and played 14 years, yet he still only beat out Barry by 3,000 or so yards.

Payton was great too, and if I were to do a list like your list it would go like this.

1. Jim Brown
2A. Walter Payton
2B. Barry Sanders
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Gale Sayers
5. Eric Dickerson, Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis

 

[FirstTimer]

Sure you could argue that Payton and Smith were more complete backs than Sanders

Duh.

Because they were.

but doing what he did in 9 seasons behind a terrible OL and no help whatsoever on either side of the ball (he carried that team) is pretty amazing.

Payton's supporting cast was even worse. By far. For at least 85% of his career.

It's not close.

From another thread:

Sanders backers always want to point out how bad the Lions were in the 1990's while ignoring that Payton played for some of the most appallingly bad offenses in the NFL during 85% of his career. Sanders had it bad but I would have loved to see what Walter could have done surrounded by even marginal talent for most of his career. Scott Mitchell, Herman Moore, and Brett Perriman look like HOF'ers compared to what the Bears had on offense in the mid 70's to early 80's.



Here's some fun stats: Walter Payton did not run behind a Pro Bowl or All Pro Offensive lineman until 1985(Hilgenberg/Covert). Payton retired after the 1987 season.

Payton did not play with another skill position player on offense who went to the Pro Bowl as a Bear until the 1985 season as well(McMahon). That was the only time in his career he had another Pro Bowl skill position player with him. Even that season McMahon made it based solely on the fact he was the QB of the Bears and they were 15-1. He was 20th in yards in the NFL and 19th in TD's.


Sanders guys can complain about the lack of talent Barry had on offense but from 1990-1997 Sanders always had at least one Pro Bowl and/or All Pro player with him on offense(Normally Lomas Brown and Herman Moore). Don't make me start listing Chicago Bears QB's and WR's from the mid 70's to early 1980's.

As far as supporting casts go it is: Emmitt>>>>>>Barry>>>>Payton and it's really not even close.

1. Jim Brown
2A. Walter Payton
2B. Barry Sanders
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Gale Sayers
5. Eric Dickerson, Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis

Just no.

 

[Marley]

Duh.

Because they were.



Payton's supporting cast was even worse. By far. For at least 85% of his career.

It's not close.

From another thread:






Just no.

Wanna respond to the main point of my reply, that being Barry > Emmitt?

 

[FirstTimer]

Wanna respond to the main point of my reply, that being Barry > Emmitt?

Emmitt was a more complete back and even when Aikman was banged up or Irvin was hurt Emmitt still put up numbers. Yes, Emmitt had the better supporting cast. That's not news. So how am I supposed to respond? I don't disagree. Smith had the better supporting cast but that =/= Sanders was the better running back. Sanders wasn't exactly working with nothing either in Detroit.

You did't really make a point. You just stated the obvious(Smith had the better cast around him) and then made a list with Barry ahead of him.

 

[Marley]

Emmitt was a more complete back and even when Aikman was banged up or Irvin was hurt Emmitt still put up numbers. Yes, Emmitt had the better supporting cast. That's not news. So how am I supposed to respond? I don't disagree. Smith had the better supporting cast but that =/= Sanders was the better running back. Sanders wasn't exactly working with nothing either in Detroit.

You did't really make a point. You just stated the obvious(Smith had the better cast around him) and then made a list with Barry ahead of him.

My main point was that Emmitt had a better team and played 5 years longer yet still only put up 3,000 more rushing yards than Sanders. Anyways, you can keep your opinion that Emmitt is better than Barry and I'll keep mine. :shakehands:

 

[FirstTimer]

My main point was that Emmitt had a better team and played 5 years longer yet still only put up 3,000 more rushing yards than Sanders.

Ok?

And that means what?