Jim Caldwell may very well be the worst corch I've ever seen...

[ThunderHorse]

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Colt Fans Remember how fast Marvin Harrison fell off.

idk... just playing Devil's Advocate, but Andrew Luck IS right there.

 

[mgoblue2290]

I'm always in favor of "playing for now" unless you're in a position in which you're absolutely fucked if you don't prepare for later. The Colts are absolutely fucked in the future without Peyton. While this is a whole team problem, quarterback is by far the most important position and the Colts have neglected this position for years.

We don't know what is to come in four years. I know that right now, you have an absolutely solid QB getting ready to come to the NFL in Luck. I honestly don't believe the Colts will find anyone near as good once Manning's done, who knows when they'll ever get the first pick again or be able to select a QB of Luck's caliber again. Peyton's the greatest, but he is human. He'll be 36 next year.

Typically, when you've arguably got the greatest QB ever, you don't really focus too much on Quarterback when addressing your team in the off season. Peyton had never missed a game before this injury so it wasn't a concern for the team. Even if they had a solid back up, they'd still be lucky to win 5 games. Quarterback isn't the problem, you have one. The team around him is the problem.

Luck is not a solid NFL QB until he plays a few games and does alright. At this point he's just the best prospect. He is not a sure thing. The Colts would be better off having a team in place before drafting someone if they want to keep up their recent success, obviously not counting this season.

 

[Senser81]

I'm always in favor of "playing for now" unless you're in a position in which you're absolutely fucked if you don't prepare for later. The Colts are absolutely fucked in the future without Peyton. While this is a whole team problem, quarterback is by far the most important position and the Colts have neglected this position for years.

We don't know what is to come in four years. I know that right now, you have an absolutely solid QB getting ready to come to the NFL in Luck. I honestly don't believe the Colts will find anyone near as good once Manning's done, who knows when they'll ever get the first pick again or be able to select a QB of Luck's caliber again. Peyton's the greatest, but he is human. He'll be 36 next year.

Agree and disagree.

Agree that the Colts are screwed in the near future, but disagree its due to the fact that they don't have a successor to Manning.

First, even if the Colts had someone like Josh Freeman/Andy Dalton this year, they would still be terrible. Second, the Colts problems stem from the fact that for years they were drafting at the end of rounds because of their good record, and they made some bad draft picks in general (Donald Brown, Anthony Gonzalez, etc.).

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Just saw the thread title. Did the Swedish Chef make this thread? Corch?

 

[Bear Pand]

I think with that though, you're basically saying thats it for Peyton. I mean he will still play 2-3 more seasons probably and while Luck is a great prospect, I think they should try and fill a different need and go for another Super Bowl. Put some pieces in place and let Peyton do his thing. I'm sure another QB will come along over the next 3 years the Colts could get.

If they do land the number one spot, they could easily trade it or a bunch of draft picks. Especially with rookie salaries being lowered, teams won't be as hesitant to move up now.

I dont want them to draft luck unless there's doubt Peyton can go at least 2 more years. If he's going to be here I agree they need to use the best draft position they've had in a long time to improve the team and try to make another SB push.

Drafting Luck = start of rebuilding.

 

[Senser81]

I dont want them to draft luck unless there's doubt Peyton can go at least 2 more years. If he's going to be here I agree they need to use the best draft position they've had in a long time to improve the team and try to make another SB push.

Losing 62-7 = start of rebuilding.

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[NAHSTE]

The Colts are absolutely fucked in the future without Peyton. While this is a whole team problem, quarterback is by far the most important position and the Colts have neglected this position for years.

So clearly drafting a backup QB is the more optimal choice than say, trading that pick for what could become 4-6 immediate contributors.

LOL at "the Colts have neglected this position for years." No fucking shit. And Bill Gates has probably neglected to check his bank account.

 

[Senser81]

So clearly drafting a backup QB is the more optimal choice than say, trading that pick for what could become 4-6 immediate contributors.

LOL at "the Colts have neglected this position for years." No fucking shit. And Bill Gates has probably neglected to masturbate.

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[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I dont want them to draft luck unless there's doubt Peyton can go at least 2 more years. If he's going to be here I agree they need to use the best draft position they've had in a long time to improve the team and try to make another SB push.

Drafting Luck = start of rebuilding.

If you have the #1 pick...you take the #1 player...if Luck isn't your #1 player, your scouting department sucks.

 

[NAHSTE]

If you have the #1 pick...you take the #1 player...if Luck isn't your #1 player, your scouting department sucks.

Or you trade the pick since the #1 player is worth way more to other teams than he would be to you.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Or you trade the pick since the #1 player is worth way more to other teams than he would be to you.

They could stockpile picks if they do get the number 1 slot and trade it. Another Andrew Luck will come along when Peyton is ready to retire.

 

[NAHSTE]

They could stockpile picks if they do get the number 1 slot and trade it. Another Andrew Luck will come along when Peyton is ready to retire.

Here's where the wannabe Mel Kipers will say "LUCK IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION PROSPECT."

 

[Deviant]

So clearly drafting a backup QB is the more optimal choice than say, trading that pick for what could become 4-6 immediate contributors.

LOL at "the Colts have neglected this position for years." No fucking shit. And Bill Gates has probably neglected to check his bank account.

Well, yes, obviously they didn't need to ever worry about it with Peyton, but they have to now.

The Colts can get contributors with their other six draft picks/free agency. You get the quarterback once. Aaron Rodgers should have been #1 (most people thought this was the best quarterback in the draft) and there were people who though he would go #1 or early first. 49ers missed their chance and instead went with Alex Smith, who they've still been stuck with for the past 7 years.

How many times have the Niners had high drafts picks, gotten contributors, and still suffer due to poor quarterback play? They have Patrick Willis, Frank Gore, and Vernon Davis, yet they still couldn't muster anything in those seven years in the worst division in the NFL.

With Indianapolis, we see the difference the quarterback makes on this team. They are most likely going to have the first pick. You have to take Luck with that pick.

Agree and disagree.

Agree that the Colts are screwed in the near future, but disagree its due to the fact that they don't have a successor to Manning.

First, even if the Colts had someone like Josh Freeman/Andy Dalton this year, they would still be terrible. Second, the Colts problems stem from the fact that for years they were drafting at the end of rounds because of their good record, and they made some bad draft picks in general (Donald Brown, Anthony Gonzalez, etc.).

Fair, but if they had either of those two, I can't imagine them being 0-6. Maybe 2-4.

And yes, that is their problem. But, again, the quarterback play made those non-issues.

Here's where the wannabe Mel Kipers will say "LUCK IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION PROSPECT."

Not saying he's going to be greatest thing ever, but there's no doubt he's solid. The kid is very athletic, great arm, he's accurate, and he's a threat on the ground. I just don't see anyone else like Luck coming out in the near future. Why pass on him?