Kyrie Irving

[Rudi]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFiIiypFQKw"]Kyrie Irving crosses up Iman Shumpert (Feb 29, 2012) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Rudi]

Going to use this to vent my frustration about the Cavs...as they have lost 6 in a row, and now go on the road to face Denver and the Thunder next. Oh well I suppose it had to happen eventually especially with Varejao out. It's about time we try and dish off Anthony Parker and Jamison for anything we can get. This team with a high draft pick [I want Harrison Barnes oh so bad] to play alongside Kyrie will be fun to watch in the coming years.

 

[FirstTimer]

I guess a lot of people were also in favor of Williams over Irving, but also said they'd take Kanter too.

I'd still take Williams over Irving #1.

:kanye:

 

[Archer]

I'd still take Williams over Irving #1.

:kanye:

:joeybats:

 

[FirstTimer]

:joeybats:

NBA is a wing dominated game. If I can get a potential star on the wing. Pair him with a really nice PG from a draft pick at #4 then I do it.

 

[Archer]

NBA is a wing dominated game. If I can get a potential star on the wing. Pair him with a really nice PG from a draft pick at #4 then I do it.

I'd argue today's NBA is a PG dominated game. Irving has top 5 PG potential and Derrick Williams is still a tweener despite being an exciting talent.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'd argue today's NBA is a PG dominated game. .

I wouldn't.

How many PG centric teams have won NBA titles?

 

[Rudi]

Derrick Williams is a 15/10 guy at best I think. Kyrie Irving is a superstar. :kanye:

 

[FirstTimer]

Derrick Williams is a 15/10 guy at best I think. Kyrie Irving is a superstar. :kanye:

:lol:

 

[Archer]

I wouldn't.

How many PG centric teams have won NBA titles?

Not many but I'd argue today's rules and with the recent talent influx at PG has made it a huge need if you want to be in the playoffs. (unless you have a superstar at a different position)

Even without this argument... you'd take a tweener over a potential and probable top 5 PG?

 

[Rudi]

Superstar at best I meant too thought it was implied. If you don't believe me, just wait. Once this kid gets some pieces around him he will put up average 20 a game with 10 dimes. You wait. :kobe:

 

[FirstTimer]

Not many

Exactly.

Even without this argument... you'd take a tweener who struggles to shoot over a potential and probable top 5 PG?

Yes. Because Williams IMO has Top 5-10 wing potential and that's the most important position to me in the NBA right now.

Kyrie I don't see being a Top 5 PG though.

He's not currently and maybe he sneaks in once Paul, Parker, etc start going away but every year there has been some PG prospects coming out to :fap: to. Rose, Wall, Evans, Irving, Rubio, whatever.

Irving is a really good player but Williams has more upside IMO and with two picks in the Top 4 I think the Cavs would have been better to go with Williams/Kanter Williams/Knight.

 

[FirstTimer]

Superstar at best I meant too thought it was implied. If you don't believe me, just wait. Once this kid gets some pieces around him he will put up average 20 a game with 10 dimes. You wait. :kobe:

Nothing screams being an individual superstar like needing pieces around you.

:lol:

 

[Archer]

Exactly.



Yes. Because Williams IMO has Top 5-10 wing potential and that's the most important position to me in the NBA right now.

Kyrie I don't see being a Top 5 PG though.

He's not currently and maybe he sneaks in once Paul, Parker, etc start going away but every year there has been some PG prospects coming out to :fap: to. Rose, Wall, Evans, Irving, Rubio, whatever.

Irving is a really good player but Williams has more upside IMO and with two picks in the Top 4 I think the Cavs would have been better to go with Williams/Kanter Williams/Knight.

Yes. Because Williams IMO has Top 5-10 wing potential and that's the most important position to me in the NBA right now.

I don't see it. He struggles to guard 3's and is weak in the post v 4's. His outside shooting has yet to translate to the pro's either. I think he's more likely to remain an intriguing yet underwhelming talent then he is a superstar.

Kyrie I don't see being a Top 5 PG though.

Despite having a better rookie year that was borderline all-star?

ut every year there has been some PG prospects coming out to :fap: to. Rose, Wall, Evans, Irving, Rubio, whatever.

Irving is better then Wall, Evans and Rubio and it's not even close really. Rose is a once in a decade talent and is arguably already the best PG in the NBA today.

 

[FirstTimer]

I don't see it. He struggles to guard 3's and is weak in the post v 4's.

IYO...as of the moment.

Despite having a better rookie year that was borderline all-star?

:joeybats:

What aren't you getting about this.

Kyrie is better now. I've never said otherwise. I think Williams has the potential to be better than irving down the road. And no i don't see Kyrie as a Top 5 PG.

Irving is better then Wall, Evans and Rubio and it's not even close really. Rose is a once in a decade talent and is arguably already the best PG in the NBA today.

Way to miss the point.

The point isn't that they are better or worse than Kyrie the point is you can seemingly get a pretty damn good PG each year in the draft if you draft at or near the top as Cleveland has. IMO a wing like Williams and his potential is a bit harder to come by.

 

[Chrispy]

I picture Evans as more of a SG and Irving>Rubio

 

[FirstTimer]

I picture Evans as more of a SG and Irving>Rubio

:joeybats:

Not.

The.

Point.

 

[Chrispy]

:joeybats:

Not.

The.

Point.

Whose point? I didn't quote you......:gayrod:

 

[Archer]

IYO...as of the moment.






:joeybats:

What aren't you getting about this.

Kyrie is better now. I've never said otherwise. I think Williams has the potential to be better than irving down the road. And no i don't see Kyrie as a Top 5 PG.





Way to miss the point.

The point isn't that they are better or worse than Kyrie the point is you can seemingly get a pretty damn good PG each year in the draft if you draft at or near the top as Cleveland has. IMO a wing like Williams and his potential is a bit harder to come by.

Kyrie is better now. I've never said otherwise. I think Williams has the potential to be better than irving down the road. And no i don't see Kyrie as a Top 5 PG.

Okay that's your opinion. I personally think a 19 year old who got all-star consideration in his rookie year after only playing 12 games in college is probably going to have a better chance at reaching his ceiling.

Way to miss the point.

The point isn't that they are better or worse than Kyrie the point is you can seemingly get a pretty damn good PG each year in the draft if you draft at or near the top as Cleveland has. IMO a wing like Williams and his potential is a bit harder to come by

I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think you will find many players in the draft like Irving in the coming years. We'll see about it I guess.

 

[FirstTimer]

I don't think you will find many players in the draft like Irving in the coming years. .

:joeybats:

Again.

Not the point.