Lets talk about Tom Brady

[ThomasTomasz]

So many people criticized Peyton Manning individually on his playoff struggles, so where do you all sit on Brady's recent struggles?

In his past 10 playoff games, Brady is 4-6. Since his third Super Bowl victory, the Pats have lost two Super Bowls and three AFC Championship games, including this year's game and last years game against the Ravens.

Where does he stand with you guys?

 

[Primetime]

If that was the Tom Brady of old, Patriots win that game. He missed a couple of easy throws that would have gone for huge gains or touchdowns.

 

[Glenbino]

Tom Brady can't play in the sun

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[Houston]

His life would be significantly easier if the Manning's were never born.

 

[ram29jackson]

So many people criticized Peyton Manning individually on his playoff struggles, so where do you all sit on Brady's recent struggles?

In his past 10 playoff games, Brady is 4-6. Since his third Super Bowl victory, the Pats have lost two Super Bowls and three AFC Championship games, including this year's game and last years game against the Ravens.

Where does he stand with you guys?

4 for 6 from 10 total recently...3 conference championships.

these aren't negatives.

all that along with the football Avalon they had between 2000 and 2004.

where does he stand ? I'm sick of seeing him succeed already... thats where he stands.

Think if Parcells could have had a Brady..talk about a football Frankenstein

 

[MrBill]

Tom Terrific is no longer young enough to do it without help. If Wilfork, Gronk, Hernandez, Mayo, etc are playing in that game the Broncos would have had a game on their hands. Didn't hurt that the Broncos are one of the healthiest teams in the playoffs.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Nothing. Ranked exactly where he deserves. Below the GOATers...and in the pack with the great winners and HOFers like Bradshaw , Aikman, Young , Favre etc.
Hes never won being the catalyst.
He and Bellyflop are the most remarkable QB/HC duo ever IMO.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He's a great player and an all time great QB.

To me his major blemish isn't the losses of recent years. He's won enough if you are into that side of things. His blemish is that all of his marquee drives were FG's (and not even short ones). His legacy is very different if he had a shitty kicker.

 

[ram29jackson]

He's a great player and an all time great QB.

To me his major blemish isn't the losses of recent years. He's won enough if you are into that side of things. His blemish is that all of his marquee drives were FG's (and not even short ones). His legacy is very different if he had a shitty kicker.

LOL I wanted to add that too but avoided it

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Despite his "recent struggles"...he still owns the best playoff record in the history of the game (18-8) and has three championships. It was impossible for him to keep up with his ridiculous start to his playoff career, yet, here he is, a great post-season QB...and a great regular season QB. He's a Top 5 QB of All-Time...what exactly is there to discuss?

 

[Mogriffjr]

Brady n them haven't won a SB since spygate so it's obvious they cheated to their wins.
#jetsfan #bitter

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Nothing. Ranked exactly where he deserves. Below the GOATers...and in the pack with the great winners and HOFers like Bradshaw , Aikman, Young , Favre etc.
Hes never won being the catalyst.
He and Bellyflop are the most remarkable QB/HC duo ever IMO.

Brady is on another level from Bradshaw, Aikman, Young. Favre, too, is on a different level than them, but not quite on Brady's level.

 

[Aso]

What separates Brady and Manning to me is as Manning gets older he only ever gets better - not worse. Brady is starting to become less accurate and his regular season career has a lot more ups and downs than Peyton's. Peytons career play consistently gets better the longer it goes on.

 

[dave]

Brady has nothing to apologize for. Those who say he's anything but great are insane. Is he perfect? No. Is he one of the 5-7 greatest QBs? Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is just being stupid.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Brady is on another level from Bradshaw, Aikman, Young. Favre, too, is on a different level than them, but not quite on Brady's level.

Too many teirs for me. I'll likely number them similarly to what you're posting but to me they're all in that same pool.

Marino Montana Manning Elway Unitas Graham have compelling arguments that Brady for my own personal taste can't crack. He's never been in the argument for goat. These guys all gave legit cases Brady doesn't neither do the rest of that group and all have some stupendous accomplishments to hold over the others head.

 

[Aso]

I feel like Terry Bradshaw has got to be the toughest QBs to place when it comes to these lists. I think people discredit what he's done because of his supporting cast but with that supporting cast he did help bring 4 Superbowls to the city of Pittsburgh. This is before my time and I'll admit I've barely seen Bradshaw play but he was up their statistically year in and year out one of the best as a passer in a run-first offense, right?

Where exactly does Bradshaw belong? I'd say after Marino, Montana, and Peyton but I feel he did more than Aikman did looking at it in a purely statistical sense.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Too many teirs for me. I'll likely number them similarly to what you're posting but to me they're all in that same pool.

Marino Montana Manning Elway Unitas Graham have compelling arguments that Brady for my own personal taste can't crack. He's never been in the argument for goat. These guys all gave legit cases Brady doesn't neither do the rest of that group and all have some stupendous accomplishments to hold over the others head.

Fuck Marino.

Montana, Elway, Manning, Brady, Unitas in dat #top5. Can't compare non-modern era QBs like Otto to these guys.

Brady is a two time NFL MVP, won offensive player of the year, All-Decade QB (ahead of Manning, FWIW), All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowl MVPs, led the league in yards and touchdowns. Career 3:1 TD:INT ratio. The guy has a resume rivaled by basically...no one outside of his peers.

 

[EmpireWF]

If Welker doesn't drop the pass in the SB two years ago, Pats almost definitely win and then who are we talking about as a playoff failure?

 

[Houston]

The Giants?

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Fuck Marino.

Montana, Elway, Manning, Brady, Unitas in dat #top5. Can't compare non-modern era QBs like Otto to these guys.

Brady is a two time NFL MVP, won offensive player of the year, All-Decade QB (ahead of Manning, FWIW), All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowl MVPs, led the league in yards and touchdowns. Career 3:1 TD:INT ratio. The guy has a resume rivaled by basically...no one outside of his peers.

3 SBs as a role player.
2 superbowl losses having the significantly better team ,and multiple Championship game losses while almost always having the better team.
He fits perfectly with guys like Favre etc on the next tier.
Unlike Manning who was always a dominant QB , Bradys impressive years dont begin until after the rule changes.

As for Marino pretty unanimously the best pure passer to ever play the position. Much like Gale Sayers when a guy establishes himself as the best "pure" guy at his position and puts up the individual accolades to back it up its too difficult to take that away. Im not going to punch a guy for putting Sayers in there top 5 and I think Marinos case is better.

If Welker doesn't drop the pass in the SB two years ago, Pats almost definitely win and then who are we talking about as a playoff failure?

If that dope doesnt allow Flacco that stupid hail mary Manning is likely going for b2b superbowls on this second team. If Adam Vinitieri is Matt Bahr Brady is an also ran. If Matt Bahr is Adam Viniteri Jim Kelly may be No1 or 2 on this list.

We can play the if game all day.