Lindy's Top 25

[Sportsbuck]

I saw plenty of Best. I'm a Pac 10 guy (Oregon fan), and I never said the Big 12 had defense, just that Murray's stat-line was as impressive as Best's. And the ACC and Big 10 may have been weak conferences, but they had more good defenses than the Pac 10 for sure.

Jahvid Best averaged 8.1 YPC, and Murray averaged 5.6.

How does that make it as impressive as Best?

Not to mention Best could've cracked the 2000 yard mark had the Bears not ran Shane Vereen for 715 yards.

 

[Sportsbuck]

DATE OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
8/30 Michigan State W 38-31 24 111 4.6 20 1 5 63 12.6 42 0 0 0
9/6 @Washington State W 66-3 14 200 14.3 86 3 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
9/13 @Maryland L 35-27 10 25 2.5 10 0 5 65 13.0 18 0 0 0
9/27 Colorado State W 42-7 11 85 7.7 15 0 3 27 9.0 15 0 0 0
10/4 Arizona State W 24-14 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
10/18 @Arizona L 42-27 16 107 6.7 67 1 4 33 8.3 17 0 0 0
10/25 UCLA W 41-20 17 115 6.8 34 1 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0
11/1 Oregon W 26-16 16 93 5.8 50 0 2 2 1.0 6 0 0 0
11/8 @USC L 17-3 13 30 2.3 9 0 3 15 5.0 11 0 0 0
11/15 @Oregon State L 34-21 15 116 7.7 65 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
11/22 Stanford W 37-16 19 201 10.6 60 2 3 35 11.7 15 1 0 0
12/6 Washington W 48-7 19 311 16.4 84 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
EMERALD BOWL Miami (FL) W 24-17 20 186 9.3 42 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Look at the opponents there. Over 500 of those yards came against UW and Stanford, 200 more against WSU. Total draft picks from those three defenses? I don't know, but I would say under 2 total. USC, the only good D in the Pac 10 shut him down. He didn't even get to 100 against Oregon...

8/30 Chattanooga W 57-2 15 124 8.3 49 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9/6 Cincinnati W 52-26 15 88 5.9 14 1 2 13 6.5 11 0 0 0
9/13 @Washington W 55-14 16 100 6.3 11 0 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0
9/27 TCU W 35-10 13 23 1.8 7 0 4 48 12.0 26 0 0 0
10/4 @Baylor W 49-17 26 96 3.7 9 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
10/11 Texas L 45-35 7 6 0.9 2 0 4 56 14.0 34 0 0 0
10/18 Kansas W 45-31 16 83 5.2 17 2 3 35 11.7 19 0 0 0
10/25 @Kansas State W 58-35 17 104 6.1 23 2 4 63 15.8 33 2 0 0
11/1 Nebraska W 62-28 14 57 4.1 10 2 1 25 25.0 25 1 0 0
11/8 @Texas A&M W 66-28 7 123 17.6 70 0 7 63 9.0 20 1 0 0
11/22 Texas Tech W 65-21 18 125 6.9 25 2 4 71 17.8 31 0 0 0
11/29 @Oklahoma State W 61-41 15 73 4.9 20 1 1 16 16.0 16 0 0 0
12/6 Missouri W 62-21 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
FEDEX BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME Florida L 24-14 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.

Murray didn't even play in the last two games yet still had 3 more total TD's.

You do realize the same argument you used against Best works against Murray, right?

Best averaged over 6.0 ypc against two top 50 run defenses (And was at 5.8 against a 3rd in Oregon) while in games in which Murray averaged over 6.0 YPC he did not face a single top 50 run defense.

 

[Obst]

You say USC shut Best down, look what Texas did to Murray

 

[Sven Draconian]

Show me where Murray put up 700 of his yards in three games the way Best did.

So your arguement is that since Best dropped 311 on Washington whle Murray only managed 100...Murray is better?

Murray only had 5 100-yard games.
Best had 8 (including 3 games with over 200 yards).

Best had 8 games over 6.0 yards per carry.
Murray only had 5.

Murray had 3 games under 4.0 yards per carry.
Best had only 2 games under 4.0 yards per carry.

(PS. Murray's best game was against Chattanooga.)

 

[Sven Draconian]

Spiller split carries with James Davis, who is now gone. Pat White got a ton of rushing yards which ate at Devine's numbers. Murray's stat-line is actually MORE impressive. And last but not least all of them played in a conference with better defense top to bottom than the Pac 10.

How is that statline more imporessive? 15 fewer carries, 578 fewer yards. 1 fewer TD. Was he going to rush for 35 yards a carry those last 15 carries? Even then, it would EQUAL Best.

I've never seen either of them play, but GTFO with that arguement.

DATE OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
8/30 Michigan State W 38-31 24 111 4.6 20 1 5 63 12.6 42 0 0 0
9/6 @Washington State W 66-3 14 200 14.3 86 3 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
9/13 @Maryland L 35-27 10 25 2.5 10 0 5 65 13.0 18 0 0 0
9/27 Colorado State W 42-7 11 85 7.7 15 0 3 27 9.0 15 0 0 0
10/4 Arizona State W 24-14 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
10/18 @Arizona L 42-27 16 107 6.7 67 1 4 33 8.3 17 0 0 0
10/25 UCLA W 41-20 17 115 6.8 34 1 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0
11/1 Oregon W 26-16 16 93 5.8 50 0 2 2 1.0 6 0 0 0
11/8 @USC L 17-3 13 30 2.3 9 0 3 15 5.0 11 0 0 0
11/15 @Oregon State L 34-21 15 116 7.7 65 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
11/22 Stanford W 37-16 19 201 10.6 60 2 3 35 11.7 15 1 0 0
12/6 Washington W 48-7 19 311 16.4 84 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
EMERALD BOWL Miami (FL) W 24-17 20 186 9.3 42 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Look at the opponents there. Over 500 of those yards came against UW and Stanford, 200 more against WSU. Total draft picks from those three defenses? I don't know, but I would say under 2 total. USC, the only good D in the Pac 10 shut him down. He didn't even get to 100 against Oregon...

8/30 Chattanooga W 57-2 15 124 8.3 49 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9/6 Cincinnati W 52-26 15 88 5.9 14 1 2 13 6.5 11 0 0 0
9/13 @Washington W 55-14 16 100 6.3 11 0 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0
9/27 TCU W 35-10 13 23 1.8 7 0 4 48 12.0 26 0 0 0
10/4 @Baylor W 49-17 26 96 3.7 9 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
10/11 Texas L 45-35 7 6 0.9 2 0 4 56 14.0 34 0 0 0
10/18 Kansas W 45-31 16 83 5.2 17 2 3 35 11.7 19 0 0 0
10/25 @Kansas State W 58-35 17 104 6.1 23 2 4 63 15.8 33 2 0 0
11/1 Nebraska W 62-28 14 57 4.1 10 2 1 25 25.0 25 1 0 0
11/8 @Texas A&M W 66-28 7 123 17.6 70 0 7 63 9.0 20 1 0 0
11/22 Texas Tech W 65-21 18 125 6.9 25 2 4 71 17.8 31 0 0 0
11/29 @Oklahoma State W 61-41 15 73 4.9 20 1 1 16 16.0 16 0 0 0
12/6 Missouri W 62-21 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
FEDEX BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME Florida L 24-14 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.

Murray didn't even play in the last two games yet still had 3 more total TD's.

You guys are right. Jahvid is #1!!!

Don't be a bitch. How is Murray's statline more impressive than Best's?