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Love: I was screwed in ROY voting.

Anyone who thinks Kevin Love is better than Brook Lopez is crazy, lets just get that clear before anything.

That being said, im not hating on K-Love. Being a top 6-7 rookie in the NBA isnt a bad thing.. their was just better rookies than him this year. IE: Rose, Westbrook, Mayo, Lopez, Gordon, Chalmers, then Love or Augstin.. they're both up there. This was a special draft class for guards, no question.
 
Finally someone throws Chalmers in the mix. Chalmers for sure is a top 10 Rookie AT LEAST.

Love, ehh, I wouldn't put him in mytop 5 rookies.
 
mbuser said:
even if i don't necessarily agree with him, the guy deserves some credit. love led the league in offensive rebound rate and was second to D12 in total rebound rate. 4th in the league in offensive boards per game and 9th in the league in boards per game despite just 25 mpg. averages in 51 G after jan 1: 13 pts, 9.7 reb. he had 29 double-doubles, brook lopez had 18, marc gasol had 17. but yeah he sucks

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009_leaders.html
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Thank you for actually using numerical data. So many people came in here with jabs at Love like he was just garbage this year.

Truth is, if he wasn't in Minnesota, or he was a little more exciting to watch, he probably would've garnered a lot more votes. Don't act like this isn't true.

I am not a huge fan of Love, but even I have to commend the rookie year he had.
 
It also has to do with where he played, Rose had muuuuuch better exposure being in the Chicago market, that also plays a role
 
ATL Jones Bro said:
Seriously, there were plenty of rookies better than Kevin. David Lee got 65 double doubles and you dont hear him complainin about not being one of the top 5 big men in the league.

I'll name Love's 5 rookies better than him.

Derrick Rose
Of course the guy is. He was the ROTY and he is a game changer and will be one of the top NBA players in a year or 2.

Russell Westbrook
He was phenominal for the Thunder in their 1st year. I see alot coming out of him.

Brook Lopez
Hes a great scorer on the post, the guy can rebound, and the guy can block. Great big man.

OJ Mayo
He can shoot the 3, get to the hoop, and shoot the mid range jumper. Hes a scorer.

Michael Beasley:
Duel threat player. He plays nice defense. Hes a post threat and can shoot the 3.

Honorable mentions better than Love:
Eric Gordon and Marc Gasol
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I'm not a twolves fan or anything.. but honestly. Lets see who these people play with here..

Derrick Rose has Ben Gordon, John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng..

Russell Westbrook has Jeff Green and Kevin Durant

Brook Lopez has Vince Carter and Devin Harris

OJ Mayo & Marc Gasol have Mike Conley and Rudy Gay, not to mention they have eachother to make adjusting as a rookie to the NBA easier as they are both starters..


Michael Beasley has D-Wade, Mario Chalmers who can help with adjusting like Mayo & Gasol, and they have Jermaine O'Neal.

Who does Kevin Love have to be honest? Al Jefferson? Playing pretty much the same damn position he plays? Who also went down down the stretch and Kevin Love picked up his game enough to grab a number of double-double games and have a what, 9 game winning streak? I may be overlooking Miller, but he isn't a dynamic game-changer in my mind.


Just looking at the facts here people. Kevin Love plays on a squad that gets barely any exposure, so most of the stuff he does goes un-noticed. He also really doesn't have much on his team, that everyone else has..
 
It still doesnt change the fact that he wasnt a top 5 rookie.. lack of exposure doesnt translate into better play.
 
Shwayzed said:
I'm not a twolves fan or anything.. but honestly. Lets see who these people play with here..

Derrick Rose has Ben Gordon, John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng..

Russell Westbrook has Jeff Green and Kevin Durant

Brook Lopez has Vince Carter and Devin Harris

OJ Mayo & Marc Gasol have Mike Conley and Rudy Gay, not to mention they have eachother to make adjusting as a rookie to the NBA easier as they are both starters..


Michael Beasley has D-Wade, Mario Chalmers who can help with adjusting like Mayo & Gasol, and they have Jermaine O'Neal.

Who does Kevin Love have to be honest? Al Jefferson? Playing pretty much the same damn position he plays? Who also went down down the stretch and Kevin Love picked up his game enough to grab a number of double-double games and have a what, 9 game winning streak? I may be overlooking Miller, but he isn't a dynamic game-changer in my mind.


Just looking at the facts here people. Kevin Love plays on a squad that gets barely any exposure, so most of the stuff he does goes un-noticed. He also really doesn't have much on his team, that everyone else has..
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Then that means he should get more offensive opportunities since they have less talent on the team.
 
stevsta said:
since some of you guys love stats and love per here here they are

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...s?sort=per&qual=true&pos=rookies&seasonType=2


stats dont tell the whole story ala kobe way better than lebron when it matters but there you go

btw hollinger is a fag, that is all
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Bron>Kobe

I like how people bring up 4th quarter stats this year with this debate while ignoring that Bron played in way fewer 4th quarters than Kobe because he was beating this shit out fo people in quarters 1-3 and didn't need to play the 4th. I think I recall a stretch in the early to mid part of the season where Bron didn't play in like 5 or 6 straight 4th quarters because the Cavs were dismantling people do badly.
 
Firsttimer said:
Bron>Kobe

I like how people bring up 4th quarter stats this year with this debate while ignoring that Bron played in way fewer 4th quarters than Kobe because he was beating this shit out fo people in quarters 1-3 and didn't need to play the 4th. I think I recall a stretch in the early to mid part of the season where Bron didn't play in like 5 or 6 straight 4th quarters because the Cavs were dismantling people do badly.
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actually its the other way around how do you think bron got all his inflated stats kobe hasnt been playing most 4th quarters
 
stevsta said:
actually its the other way around how do you think bron got all his inflated stats kobe hasnt been playing most 4th quarters
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Ummm, actually no it's not and it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, Bron was going through stretches for games at a time this season where he wasn't even stepping on the floor in the 4th quarter.
 
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codizzle42 said:
So was Kobe you idiot...LeBron played in way more blowouts in order to inflate his stats. When we're up 10+ in the 4th, Kobe does NOT see the floor...Bron does. They both didn't play in 4th's this year, but a lot of times Bron would in order to inflate.
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Ha. So Bron was out there to inflate his stats but played less minutes per game than Kobe did in the 4th and scored less in the 4th than Kobe did? Ha!
Random Hero said:
Kobe has more points in the 4th quarter this season than Bron does...
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Exactly.
 
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LMAO @ ppl talking about shit they have no clue abt. LeBron inflating his stats by playing in blowouts? LOL. You obviously dont watch any Cavs ball cause LeBron has sat more 4th quarters than any star in the league this year. And Kobe is right up there too.. but im sure Kobe hasnt had the luxury of as many blowouts as LeBron has.

SMH @ inflating stats. I shouldnt expect better from Laker fans tho.. cant accept that someone is actually better than the player they worship.
 
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yeah real gay

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