Marc Bulger.

[CCBrink]

Care to elaborate? He seems to have a lot of potential... You'd honestly prefer Bulger over Clausen?

Yeah I actually really like Clausen. He played in a pro-style offense to so he should be able to play early. Arguably the most NFL ready QB in the draft. I also like his mobility and ability to make plays outside of the pocket.

 

[ram29jackson]

Cunningham was more an in the pocket passer after he tore his knee up in 1991. 5 years before he was even in Minnesota. STFU.



Idiotic to do seeing as Cunningham was twice the passer Vick was when Cunningham was still a mobile QB. Cunningham was winning player of the year awards and in MVP talk and putting together one of the best all around seasons by a QB statistically while Vick was struggling to hit open WR's 15 yards down the field.

Cunningham could learn to pass from the pocket because he was a good passer to begin with. The stats bear this out. Vick was never a good passer in the NFL so your comparison is absurd.

um,..get your head out your ass and cut the insults. I simply used an example of someone who ran around more early and later didnt. I never compared talent levels , so stop obsessing over unimportant, already universally understood details.

 

[ram29jackson]

Yeah I actually really like Clausen. He played in a pro-style offense to so he should be able to play early. Arguably the most NFL ready QB in the draft. I also like his mobility and ability to make plays outside of the pocket.

ND hasnt developed a good QB since Montana. If Clausen is better than Mirer I would be suprised.

 

[FirstTimer]

um,..get your head out your ass and cut the insults. I simply used an example of someone who ran around more early and later didnt. I never compared talent levels , so stop obsessing over unimportant, already universally understood details.

Except that you were doing it to defend Vick being able to do it when Cunningham was one of the best QB's in football for nearly half a decade and Vick's entire career has barely been that long and he's never been able to throw anywhere near as well as Cunningham ever could. So LOL at using Cunningham to rationalize Vick being able to do anything in the future.

 

[FirstTimer]

ND hasnt developed a good QB since Montana. If Clausen is better than Mirer I would be suprised.

Yeah, Notre Dame "developed" Montana so well he fell to the 3rd Rnd and put up insanely pedestrian/below average stats at Notre Dame.

Michigan sure developed Tom Brady!

 

[ram29jackson]

Except that you were doing it to defend Vick being able to do it when Cunningham was one of the best QB's in football for nearly half a decade and Vick's entire career has barely been that long and he's never been able to throw anywhere near as well as Cunningham ever could. So LOL at using Cunningham to rationalize Vick being able to do anything in the future.

I didnt defend anybody . its called conjecture. You need quite a bit of work on reading comprehension. el oh el..... what ever have a good day, sir

 

[ram29jackson]

Yeah, Notre Dame "developed" Montana so well he fell to the 3rd Rnd and put up insanely pedestrian/below average stats at Notre Dame.

Michigan sure developed Tom Brady!

a scouts lack of insight has nothing to do with him developing his ability to play the game while in college.

 

[Nukleopatra]

My bad, First, I read you wrong.

I'm not a huge Clausen fan at all, so I wouldn't take too kindly to St. Louis drafting him.

 

[FirstTimer]

I didnt defend anybody . its called conjecture. You need quite a bit of work on reading comprehension. el oh el..... what ever have a good day, sir

Conjecture? So you take apples and compare them to oranges and pass it off as conjecture? Are you retarded? Seriously.

Roberts Edwards shredded his knee. But Gale Sayers did too and he came back to run for 1,000 yards as a power back so I think Edwards could too....Oh wait...Sayers was a HOF caliber player before he got hurt. Edwards....not so much.

Take your awful conjecture elsewhere.

 

[FirstTimer]

a scouts lack of insight has nothing to do with him developing his ability to play the game while in college.

It's a pretty well known fact that Bill Walsh developed the raw undeveloped Montana.

Montana was honing his WCO skills running the option/wing in South Bend? LOL.

 

[FirstTimer]

My bad, First, I read you wrong.

I'm not a huge Clausen at all, so I wouldn't take too kindly to St. Louis drafting him.

It's cool.

He's the most NFL ready IMO but is not worth the #1 pick.

 

[Nukleopatra]

I'm full of shit, anyway.. If the Rams drafted Clausen, I'd be first person here trolling him as the best QB in the NFL. When/if the Rams draft any QB with some fucking potential, I'll probably die of a stroke.

I agree, though, he isn't worth the #1 pick.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm full of shit, anyway.. If the Rams drafted Clausen, I'd be first person here trolling him as the best QB in the NFL. When/if the Rams draft any QB with some fucking potential, I'll probably die of a stroke.

I agree, though, he isn't worth the #1 pick.

If the Rams somehow got Clausen and Tate we'd rule the trolling world.

 

[Bigpapa42]

I'm full of shit, anyway.. If the Rams drafted Clausen, I'd be first person here trolling him as the best QB in the NFL. When/if the Rams draft any QB with some fucking potential, I'll probably die of a stroke.

I agree, though, he isn't worth the #1 pick.

I felt the same way about Alex Smith when the Niners took him. Sometimes you don't want to be right...

 

[Nukleopatra]

I felt the same way about Alex Smith when the Niners took him. Sometimes you don't want to be right...

You might think I'm full of shit, but I didn't think Alex Smith was worth anything high than a late 2nd, early 3rd. I'm just glad we didn't get him. Of course, I ended up being wrong anyway, because he's not even worth that.

 

[bcransom]

You might think I'm full of shit, but I didn't think Alex Smith was worth anything high than a late 2nd, early 3rd. I'm just glad we didn't get him. Of course, I ended up being wrong anyway, because he's not even worth that.

He took huge strides last season. All hope MAY not be lost with him.

 

[mcstl25]

Before this thread gets too far off topic I'd like to remind everyone that Marc Bulger sucks.

Continue on.

 

[Bigpapa42]

You might think I'm full of shit, but I didn't think Alex Smith was worth anything high than a late 2nd, early 3rd. I'm just glad we didn't get him. Of course, I ended up being wrong anyway, because he's not even worth that.

I won't call bullshit on that. Given the questions about him and being a "system QB" at Utah, I can see it. I figured he was still a first round prospect, but I liked Rogers more. Same system issues, I guess, but I just liked what I saw from him at Cal.

I do believe Smith's failure thus far has been as much due to circumstance as talent. Same as with David Carr in Houston.

 

[Fox1994]

a lot of stupid shit

I don't know exactly, but it seems like Randall had some problems playing behind poor Eagle lines...

His rookie year, with 81 attempts, 29 rushing attempts (I wasn't around, so I couldn't tell you how many of those were scrambles and how many were created runs); those are 110 drop-backs. He was sacked 20 times in addition to that. 20/130 = .153846 ~ 15%

Earnest Jackson had 1028 yards, but only a 3.6 YPC average...

His best year, in 1998 (with Minnesota), with 425 passing attempts, 32 rushing attempts, he was also sacked 20 times. Robert Smith averaged 4.8 Y/A, had 1187 yards; Randall's backup Brad Johnson had over 100 attempts (101 wherein he wasn't sacked or scrambling) and was sacked 4 times...

Two of his best year in Philly were 1988 and 1990. In 88, he threw for his most yards with 3808, 24 touchdowns, and 16 interceptions. His first Pro Bowl. Team's leading rusher with 624 yards on 93 attempts. He had 560 attempts... Sacked 57 times. Second-leading rusher was Keith Byars with 517 yards on a 3.4 average. Third-leading rusher was Anthony Toney, with 502 on 3.6.

In 90, he threw for 3466 yards, 30 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions. Third-straight Pro Bowl. He was the teams leading rusher with 942 yards on 118 attempts. He had 465 attempts... Sacked 49 times. The team's second-leading rusher was Heath Sherman, with 685 yards on 4.2 Y/A. Third? Anthony Toney, 452 yards, 3.4 Y/A.

Now, these could be anomalies based solely on the year.

In 1988 and 1990, respectively, Dan Marino was sacked 6 and 15 times.

Joe Montana? 34 and 29.

Granted, Montana and Cunningham liked to scramble, but Cunningham was known for leading his team in rushing yards... So I somehow doubt that's where the majority of his sacks came from.

But, I wasn't there. I only know this because of pro-football-reference.

Care to retort?

Yeah I actually really like Clausen. He played in a pro-style offense to so he should be able to play early. Arguably the most NFL ready QB in the draft. I also like his mobility and ability to make plays outside of the pocket.

I hate to say it (SC - V FOR VICTORY!) but he put up good stats in a pro-style system with an average defense on teams that were bad, not due to a lack of talent, but a lack of coaching.

[table=head]YEAR|TEAM|CMP|ATT|PCT|YDS|AVG|TD|LNG|INT
2007|ND|138|245|56.3|1254|5.1|7|44|6
2008|ND|268|440|60.9|3172|7.2|25|69|17
2009|ND|289|425|68.0|3722|8.8|28|88|4[/table]

 

[ram29jackson]

It's a pretty well known fact that Bill Walsh developed the raw undeveloped Montana.

Montana was honing his WCO skills running the option/wing in South Bend? LOL.

its a well known fact you cant develop it if they dont have it . Again , I am still right.