Marc Bulger.

[ram29jackson]

Conjecture? So you take apples and compare them to oranges and pass it off as conjecture? Are you retarded? Seriously.

Roberts Edwards shredded his knee. But Gale Sayers did too and he came back to run for 1,000 yards as a power back so I think Edwards could too....Oh wait...Sayers was a HOF caliber player before he got hurt. Edwards....not so much.

Take your awful conjecture elsewhere.

get a life obsessive Internet freak. you are obsessing over absolutely nothing that was intended. Learn to comprehend that i used an extreme example and that is all it is. Go to bed little kiddy. Or get off the drugs or stimulants or what ever your problem in dyer need of counseling is.

:hammer:

 

[FirstTimer]

its a well known fact you cant develop it if they dont have it . Again , I am still right.

You said Montana developed at Notre Dame. Which he did not. So, no. You were never right and still aren't.

Bill Walsh developed Montana once he turned pro. Montana was an average QB at the college level.

get a life obsessive Internet freak.

Says the guy who said he was "done" but is now still posting responses....

Learn to comprehend that i used an retarded example and that is all it is.

Fixed.

 

[shag773]

I'll start this off by saying I watched every single game Randall Cunningham played as an Eagle. I'm not saying my points will be spot on, but here they are anyway.

First off, The Eagles as an organization went almost 20 years without sending an offensive lineman to the Pro Bowl. The Eagles of the mid 80's/early 90's had some of the worst offensive lines I have ever seen in my entire life. While taking that into account, consider the defenses the Eagles had to face during this time without an offensive line. We saw Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann, Randy White, Too Tall Jones and Harvey Martin twice a year for the majority of that time period. Add in he had quite possibly the slowest release this side of Tim Tebow, and you can see how the sacks piled up.

The offensive system Randall ran (pre Kotite) while he was here was very simple. He was snapped the football, and told to make something happen. Granted, part of it was his fault because the coaching staff had a hard time getting him in the film room and in his playbook, especially early in his career. But he had nothing around him. Mike Quick was hurt and at the end of his career. They were never able to run the football. Keith Jackson was a big addition, but his numbers declined every year after his pro bowl rookie year. He didn't have any viable wr's until 1990 when we drafted Calvin Williams and Fred Barnett. The point is, he was the center piece of this offense. He ALWAYS had the ball in his hands.

But he made huge strides in 1990. He put his head in the playbook, and had decent recievers. Kotite was a moronic head coach, but Randall thrived in his system. Everyone thought we put it all together and were ready for a Super Bowl in 1991. Bryce Paup ended that on a warm Sunday afternoon in Green Bay about a minute into the second quarter. He was not the same QB when he got back. 1993 free agency came and our front office pretty much let everyone walk. He broke his leg that year against the Jets. After an 8-8 season in 94, we brought in Ray Rhoads and the west coast offense. Randall never took to it. He wasn't condition to set and throw the ball quickly like a QB would do in this system. He was benched 4 games into the season, and was gone the following year.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Fact: Marc Bulger has been sacked more than any QB in the league since 2005.

14 sacks in 9 games is an insignificant sample size and a total non point. Sacks are a huge reason he has declined. His w/l record is equally meaningless, Peyton Manning wouldn't win with the Rams.

Bulger's decline as a player has also directly paralleled the Rams decline in talent. To ignore that is retarded.

With that said, I don't care what they do with Bulger, provided they don't take a QB. People don't realise how bad the Rams roster is. This is perhaps the worst collection of talent the NFL has seen in 30 years. A rookie QB will not succeed on that team. The best course of action is to just let Bulger play out his contract and keep building the roster wirth guys like Suh.

 

[Nukleopatra]

W2B ignores the fact that Bulger is quite possibly the worst leader in the NFL. No one respects Marc Bulger in that locker room, haven't for years now. The fans don't respect him, the coaching staff doesn't respect him, he's garbage. He's the worst kind of garbage. A bad line doesn't make you a bad leader - he was never the leader Warner was, and never will be. I'd rather have Jake Delhomme.

Yes, let's let Marc Bulger play out his contract.. I'm sure the locker room will love that. I just want Bulger gone, so people like this will finally shut the fuck up about who caused his decline, while ignoring the fact - Marc Bulger's decline was caused by a lack of leadership, arm, and decision making.

 

[stevsta]

W2B ignores the fact that Bulger is quite possibly the worst leader in the NFL. No one respects Marc Bulger in that locker room, haven't for years now. The fans don't respect him, the coaching staff doesn't respect him, he's garbage. He's the worst kind of garbage. A bad line doesn't make you a bad leader - he was never the leader Warner was, and never will be. I'd rather have Jake Delhomme.

Yes, let's let Marc Bulger play out his contract.. I'm sure the locker room will love that. I just want Bulger gone, so people like this will finally shut the fuck up about who caused his decline, while ignoring the fact - Marc Bulger's decline was caused by a lack of leadership, arm, and decision making.

actually in a couple of articles thrown around the year before when linehan benched bulger a lot of team mates rallied around him so he wasnt that horrible

 

[Nukleopatra]

actually in a couple of articles thrown around the year before when linehan benched bulger a lot of team mates rallied around him so he wasnt that horrible

About the only good thing Linehan did, too.

 

[mcstl25]

Fact: Marc Bulger has been sacked more than any QB in the league since 2005.

14 sacks in 9 games is an insignificant sample size and a total non point. Sacks are a huge reason he has declined. His w/l record is equally meaningless, Peyton Manning wouldn't win with the Rams.

Bulger's decline as a player has also directly paralleled the Rams decline in talent. To ignore that is retarded.

With that said, I don't care what they do with Bulger, provided they don't take a QB. People don't realise how bad the Rams roster is. This is perhaps the worst collection of talent the NFL has seen in 30 years. A rookie QB will not succeed on that team. The best course of action is to just let Bulger play out his contract and keep building the roster wirth guys like Suh.

Part of the reason Bulger has been sacked more times than anyone else in the league is because he has zero pocket presence. Yes the Rams offensive line has been horrible for most of the last four seasons, but this past year the line was pretty good for the first half of the year and Bulger was still horrible. Bulger is done. No question about it. To even suggest that he should remain the Rams starting QB is beyond idiotic.

W2B, you are always complaining about how horrible St. Louis Rams fans are. Can you blame Rams fans when you have a quarterback that is a dead fish, a team president that runs the team from the other side of the country, and the most boring football stadium in the league? Not to mention a team that has won 5 games in the past three years. All this, and you complain constantly about the rookie head coach, who by your own admission, has the worst talent in the last 30 years.

It's time to get a franchise quarterback in St. Louis. The Rams missed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez and drafted linemen who have been overall less than impressive. The Rams CANNOT pass on a top QB again, especially if Bradford checks out.

I have a lot of faith in Devaney as a GM. Look at the controversial moves he made last year - Orlando Pace and Torry Holt cut; Will Witherspoon traded for rookie WR. All three players were cut by their respective teams this offseason. I can't name one bad move Devaney has made (can't really count the 2008 draft because he just started), with the exception of not cutting Bulger last year (of course there were salary cap implications, which was the main reason Bulger was given another shot).

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Part of the reason Bulger has been sacked more times than anyone else in the league is because he has zero pocket presence. Yes the Rams offensive line has been horrible for most of the last four seasons, but this past year the line was pretty good for the first half of the year and Bulger was still horrible. Bulger is done. No question about it. To even suggest that he should remain the Rams starting QB is beyond idiotic.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Bulger isn't done. My point is that he has one year left on his deal, and this team isn't properly equipped for a rookie QB. A young QB can not progress on a team this bad with the roster the current "braintrust" has put together.

W2B, you are always complaining about how horrible St. Louis Rams fans are. Can you blame Rams fans when you have a quarterback that is a dead fish, a team president that runs the team from the other side of the country, and the most boring football stadium in the league? Not to mention a team that has won 5 games in the past three years. All this, and you complain constantly about the rookie head coach, who by your own admission, has the worst talent in the last 30 years.

That rookie hc is a big reason the roster is awful. He has no clue how to construct a team, and along with Devaney hand picked the bums that litter the roster.

I have a lot of faith in Devaney as a GM. Look at the controversial moves he made last year - Orlando Pace and Torry Holt cut; Will Witherspoon traded for rookie WR. All three players were cut by their respective teams this offseason. I can't name one bad move Devaney has made (can't really count the 2008 draft because he just started), with the exception of not cutting Bulger last year (of course there were salary cap implications, which was the main reason Bulger was given another shot).

I can not fathom how anyone who watched the Rams last year can construct that paragraph.

Tim Carter was a tremendous signing, huh? And how about that Brian Leonard trade? He played pretty well in Cincy, while the Rams spent the year without a backup RB. In return we got a DT who never played a snap, who was then traded for Ronald Curry, who also never played a snap, and failed to even make the team. The LB's are awful, because he traded and cut all of them, some of which wire modestly paid.

But hey, the offseason is off to a hot start, with the big signing of AJ Feeley, and the minimum tender offer to OJ Atogwe, pretty much making it a lock that the second best player on the team leaves with ZERO compensation. Great job, Bill. Go sign some more ex Falcons and Eagles that can't play.

MInd blowing stuff that people can support this Spags/Devaney regime.

 

[mcstl25]

Tim Carter was a tremendous signing, huh? And how about that Brian Leonard trade? He played pretty well in Cincy, while the Rams spent the year without a backup RB. In return we got a DT who never played a snap, who was then traded for Ronald Curry, who also never played a snap, and failed to even make the team. The LB's are awful, because he traded and cut all of them, some of which wire modestly paid.

But hey, the offseason is off to a hot start, with the big signing of AJ Feeley, and the minimum tender offer to OJ Atogwe, pretty much making it a lock that the second best player on the team leaves with ZERO compensation. Great job, Bill. Go sign some more ex Falcons and Eagles that can't play.

MInd blowing stuff that people can support this Spags/Devaney regime.

I don't think anyone thought that Tim Carter and Ronald Curry were going to be impact players. It is funny how you fail to mention the trade for Robinson, who looked great until his injury. Also failed to mention the Gibson acquisition, which appears to have been a great trade.

As for the linebackers, so you're saying that the Rams should have kept Tinoisamoa, Draft, or Witherspoon? If so, all three of them will be available this offseason because the team they went to didn't want them either.

I'm still struggling to see what poor moves the Rams have made since Devaney took over? If Brian Leonard, who was Cinci's 3rd or 4th string RB and barely made the team, is all you got then lol. IMO, Devaney is in the process of cleaning up after all the poor moves/drafts from the Linehan and Martz eras. He has cut and traded several Rams fan favorites, and so far every cut or trade seems to have been the right move.

As for the 2010 offseason, way to make assumpions after day 2 of the free agent period. Feely is obviously going to be a back up in 2010, and probably a better one than Bulger or Boller.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I have this tiny bit of hope that the Rams organization isn't as ignorant as some of the ''experts'' here at VSN.. Unfortunately, that's not usually the case come draft day. This team has fucked with me for far too long, so I'm hoping that when we skip Bradford, Seattle selects him, and really takes it to our asses for the next 10 years. Got room on that bandwagon, Hass? Because my anti-suh campaign begins April 22nd.

Bradford to Marshall does have a nice ring to it.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't think anyone thought that Tim Carter and Ronald Curry were going to be impact players. It is funny how you fail to mention the trade for Robinson, who looked great until his injury. Also failed to mention the Gibson acquisition, which appears to have been a great trade.

I didnt mention the Robinson or Gibson moves because those have appeared to work out.

I mentioned the bad moves, because of this particular point you keep making:

I'm still struggling to see what poor moves the Rams have made since Devaney took over?

You can downplay the Brian Leonard-for-Orien Harris-for-Ronald Curry debacle all you want, but that was an AWFUL chain of moves that resulted in trading Brian Leonard for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. One of the Rams glaring holes this year was no backup RB, so Steven Jackson was overused, to the point of abuse, yet again. Leonard had a nice year as a reserve for Cincy, and Bengal fan can back that up.

And Curry most definately was expected to be an "impact player", because both Spags and Devaney expected him to win a startiing job. Well, that didnt work out.

And how about the total mismanagement of the WR position all year long? How many weeks did Spags go into games with 3 or 4 WR's, only to see guys get hurt, and run out of players...finishing games with only 2 WR's, completely fucking whatever inept gameplan they had to begin with?

How about cutting Chris Draft, over what amounted to a 100k savings? A good locker room leader, and a guy who certainly could have helped both on the field when we were playing guys off the street, and also in the locker room with the young LB's?

I don't care that they cut Orlando Pace, who cant stay healthy and cant play anymore, or Torry Holt, who asked to be cut. But these little mismanagements of the roster don't give me any confidance moving forward.

Here is what the Rams have done so far this offseason:

-Signed a QB for $3M per year who hasnt taken a snap in years (AJ Feeley). You can downplay that and say he's a backup, but I promise you he will start multiple games, especially if they fuck up the Suh sweepstakes and take some shitbag never-will-be like Bradford or Clausen.

-Lowballed the second best player on the team, and the onoy other playmaker they have (OJ Atogwe), with the mimimum tender. Now, when he inevitably signs elsewhere, the Rams get NOTHING in return. Re-signing Craig Dahl shows they probably dont want to pay Atogwe the $6 or $7 mil he will get, and thats fine, but at least tender him higher and get something in return when someone bites. MORONIC, STUPID, and JUST PLAIN MIND BLOWING how this can occur.

-Signed a 33 year old DT coming off a bad year for $5M per (the immortal Fred Robbins)

-Last but not least, word out of STL is that they are considering bringing back Richie Incognito, a headcase who Spags FINALLY showed some balls with and cut, sending a messege to the rest of the team. I praised Spags for that, and now they want him back. Why on earth would you bring that guy back to your locker room?

Unless you are the optimistic type, I don't see how anyone can get the idea that this regime is moving in the right direction. For every good move, they make 2 bad ones. I will give them a clean slate for 2010, and assume the old ownership had alot to do with some of the puzzling money based decisions last year, but my patience is running thin despite the fact year two barely started a week ago. This isnt 1970, you don't get 5 years to turn things around. I'm ready to move on from these clowns if we dont see drastic improvements this year. It may not be fair, but thats the modern NFL.

 

[mcstl25]

You can downplay the Brian Leonard-for-Orien Harris-for-Ronald Curry debacle all you want, but that was an AWFUL chain of moves that resulted in trading Brian Leonard for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. One of the Rams glaring holes this year was no backup RB, so Steven Jackson was overused, to the point of abuse, yet again. Leonard had a nice year as a reserve for Cincy, and Bengal fan can back that up.

And Curry most definately was expected to be an "impact player", because both Spags and Devaney expected him to win a startiing job. Well, that didnt work out.

And how about the total mismanagement of the WR position all year long? How many weeks did Spags go into games with 3 or 4 WR's, only to see guys get hurt, and run out of players...finishing games with only 2 WR's, completely fucking whatever inept gameplan they had to begin with?

How about cutting Chris Draft, over what amounted to a 100k savings? A good locker room leader, and a guy who certainly could have helped both on the field when we were playing guys off the street, and also in the locker room with the young LB's?

I don't care that they cut Orlando Pace, who cant stay healthy and cant play anymore, or Torry Holt, who asked to be cut. But these little mismanagements of the roster don't give me any confidance moving forward.

So that's all you got? Leonard, Curry and Draft? Still failing to see any really bad moves that would generate such a passion of hate for Devaney/Spags.

The 2010 off season is not even a week old. Can't you wait to criticize until at least after the draft?

 

[Nukleopatra]

So that's all you got? Leonard, Curry and Draft? Still failing to see any really bad moves that would generate such a passion of hate for Devaney/Spags.

The 2010 off season is not even a week old. Can't you wait to criticize until at least after the draft?

I'm waiting... When they draft that overrated douchebag DT, and he blows out both his busted ass knees by midseason, I'm going to be laughing all over the fucking place.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So that's all you got? Leonard, Curry and Draft? Still failing to see any really bad moves that would generate such a passion of hate for Devaney/Spags.

Be honest. How many players did the Rams suit up last year that you had never previously heard of? I bet it's easily close to 20 or more. These guys constructed a roster full of street FA's and assorted garbage journeymen, yet you like what they've done so far?

And by the way, the team went 1-15. Maybe you missed that. They actually regressed from 2-14.

The 2010 off season is not even a week old. Can't you wait to criticize until at least after the draft?

No, because they are off to a horendous start in the FA period, after putting together an absolutely putrid roster last year.

I'm supposed to be excited about this dynamic duo, because they aquired two WR's that combined for about 40 catches, and cut Orlando Pace?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

He used to be good, but that was a long time ago.

He is best used as a backup at this point.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

AS for the Rams as a team, they are a LONG way off from being good, and there are definitely questions as to whether or not Spags and Co are good enough to get it done there.

Rams are barely a shell of a team.

 

[Carmelo]

How is this such a long thread? Bulger sucks, end of story.