[ALL] Mass Effect General Discussion

[SethMode]

i said i got burned out on games like 2 months ago...ME3 was back in January, so you are mistaken. How is me saying couldnt even alot of bitching about the game? thats the only negative comment i made about ME3

as for the cash grab, well, i guess we disagree on what a cashgrab is. any box set is a cash grab. Music, movies, games...its all about milking a product for every cent. You cant fault the developers for it because its business. But imo, its bad for the gaming industry and the buyers because all it does is allow companies (like EA) to not have their developers develop quality products.

Fair point. I suppose "couldn't even", to me, give the impression that the game was so bad that you couldn't get through it. When at the part I last remember you commenting about, the game's problems hadn't even begun to present itself. Either way, I still disagree that this is what is ruining the gaming industry. These boxed sets have no effect on game development because they are never arranged by the same guys that actually produce the games (those guy's are already working on either DA3, a new ME, or whatever new IP they have).

This is not the same issue as sequels, which I don't entirely agree are bad for the game industry, but do agree that they are getting a bit much. Unfortunately, it's always going to be this way because of how much a game costs to make, and how little even a "successful" new IP makes (look at Kingdoms of Amalur, considered successful, but still didn't sell well). The indie game movement is where it's at because it costs less to make those games and it has less pressure form publishers to make something that sells a certain amount.

Boxed sets have nothing to do with it. Whether it's a cash grab or not has no effect on the game industry as a whole, IMO.

 

[Twigg4075]

How is this even possible? M$ published the first game. Did their publishing rights expire or something? I wonder if they're going to fix any of the issues with the first game that I've heard so much about? Shitty mako driving and even shittier elevator load times. I'm guessing it will be a straight port.

 

[jms493]

How is this even possible? M$ published the first game. Did their publishing rights expire or something? I wonder if they're going to fix any of the issues with the first game that I've heard so much about? Shitty mako driving and even shutter elevator load times. I'm guessing it will be a straight port.

I didnt no mind the first game...I thought it was pretty good. The combat was wonky compared to the 2nd but I did not know that until I actually played ME2. I say do'nt change anything as it would take away from the nostalgia of the game. If you want to shorten load times I guess that is fine but don't fuck with the game.

I mean when the re-release Ghost n Goblins they don't make that shit any fucking easier do they, no.

 

[Twigg4075]

I didnt no mind the first game...I thought it was pretty good. The combat was wonky compared to the 2nd but I did not know that until I actually played ME2. I say do'nt change anything as it would take away from the nostalgia of the game. If you want to shorten load times I guess that is fine but don't fuck with the game.

I mean when the re-release Ghost n Goblins they don't make that shit any fucking easier do they, no.

I'm all for not "altering" the game but if it's things that still maintain the core aspects but improve on the, I'm all for it. If the combat (shooting) can be improved, do it. Driving improved? Yup. Cut load times, absolutely. I don't want them to keep shitty aspects of the game for nostalgia purposes. It's not like any of these games were even from last gen. What kind of nostalgia can you have? There are certain things that have evolved this gen that just aren't acceptable anymore and if they can fix them they should. But this is EA so I highly doubt they will have anyone put any real effort it anything.

I'm still curious as to how it was even possible that they are bringing ME1 to PS3. When did it release? 2007? Maybe it was a five year publishing deal?

 

[padman59]

The driving mechanics themselves weren't the problem. It was the stupid map designs that caused problems. The Mako is just fine on flat and reasonable mountain slopes, but there were way too many planets where they put in a ridiculous amount of steep and jagged mountainsides that you scale to get to objectives. You know they're not going to go back and redesign all of those areas.

 

[wingsfan77]

I tried playing the first one years ago but couldn't really get into it. I might be interested in picking this up sometime in the future when I'm looking for something to play.

 

[Twigg4075]

I tried playing the first one years ago but couldn't really get into it. I might be interested in picking this up sometime in the future when I'm looking for something to play.

Plus, if you actually have a job.

 

[padman59]

Well this is fucking stupid.

What DLC is included in the Mass Effect Trilogy?

• On PC, Mass Effect will include Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station on disk. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included which features Zaeed – The Price of Revenge, The Firewalker Pack, Cerberus Assault Gear, Arc Projector heavy weapon, and Normandy Crash site mission. For Mass Effect 3, Online Pass will be included granting players access to co-op multiplayer.
• On Xbox 360, Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station are not included with Mass Effect, however they are available as stand-alone downloads through Xbox LIVE. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included and Online Pass will be included for Mass Effect 3.
• Information on PlayStation 3 DLC will be available soon.

http://www.masseffect.com/about/trilogy/

It's completely unacceptable to not include all of the DLC for the first two games at the very least.

 

[wingsfan77]

Plus, if you actually have a job.

Not cool man......not cool.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

The driving mechanics themselves weren't the problem. It was the stupid map designs that caused problems. The Mako is just fine on flat and reasonable mountain slopes, but there were way too many planets where they put in a ridiculous amount of steep and jagged mountainsides that you scale to get to objectives. You know they're not going to go back and redesign all of those areas.

And the repeat mission bunkers. The Mako missions in general were so repetitive and tedious that they weren't any fun halfway through them

 

[Maynard]

cough...cash grab....cough

 

[SethMode]

I don't understand how a boxed set is a cash grab still, but even that being said, unless you're Twigg and on your weirdo righteous campaign against game companies. Who cares? Bioware is releasing a boxed set. That might be to make some more money, but I think there is a difference between that and a "cash grab" that people should actually be mad about.

 

[Maynard]

doesnt it bother you that they are basically giving all the dlc for the PC version, but making you pay for it on the 360 and more than likely on the ps3?

i dont understand the difference between this box set and any example of a box set people should be mad about. If you could give an example of a cash grab you feel is something to be mad about then i can answer that a bit better.

my opinion is based around the continuous stream of bad development by these companies. its not bioware/ea...it all of them. its all about sequels and DLC now. these box sets are just another example of how gaming companies want to make money off of us by not doing anything original. as gamers, we are getting screwed by this trend...it why we get the same version of madden every year and the same complaints along with it. but people keep spending their money because its just good enough to get by. this trend has been growing and growing for years and as long as we keep feeding it, they will keep doing it. and we suffer with repetitive games and no new IP's

 

[SethMode]

doesnt it bother you that they are basically giving all the dlc for the PC version, but making you pay for it on the 360 and more than likely on the ps3?

i dont understand the difference between this box set and any example of a box set people should be mad about. If you could give an example of a cash grab you feel is something to be mad about then i can answer that a bit better.

my opinion is based around the continuous stream of bad development by these companies. its not bioware/ea...it all of them. its all about sequels and DLC now. these box sets are just another example of how gaming companies want to make money off of us by not doing anything original. as gamers, we are getting screwed by this trend...it why we get the same version of madden every year and the same complaints along with it. but people keep spending their money because its just good enough to get by. this trend has been growing and growing for years and as long as we keep feeding it, they will keep doing it. and we suffer with repetitive games and no new IP's

No, it doesn't bother me, because I own all of that stuff.

And spare me the "they are trying to screw us" when this is DLC we're talking about, and further, don't you pirate games? I don't think you're in any position to feel like you're being slighted, or to worry for others being slighted.

Still, all of that being said, it's still not anymore of a cash grab than anything else. Sure, it'd be great if everyone just made great new IPs and creativity was supported through and through. But that is never going to happen. Particularly in the face of modern piracy.

 

[Maynard]

i gave my opinion and made my point. if you dont see, or are not willing to at least acknowledge my point then there is no reason for me to continue having this discussion with you

it seems like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. it also seems like you feel this box set is ok because its mass effect and you just want to defend mass effect. im not interested in arguing with you.

 

[SethMode]

i gave my opinion and made my point. if you dont see, or are not willing to at least acknowledge my point then there is no reason for me to continue having this discussion with you

it seems like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. it also seems like you feel this box set is ok because its mass effect and you just want to defend mass effect. im not interested in arguing with you.

I don't think either of those points are true. I just don't think that box sets are cash grabs any more than anything is a cash grab, and I can equal parts understand why DLC exists and is sometimes withheld because of pirating. This being about ME is neither here nor there. Are you going to rail against the Doom set that will be released? Or did you rail against the Jak series release? Or the Sly? Or the Ratchet? You're arguing this drop in creativity because of the existence of these collections, which is stupid. The lack of creativity exists in large part or in most part because of piracy. I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, I just don't think you've made a single good point outside of your initial irritation.

 

[Twigg4075]

Well this is fucking stupid.



http://www.masseffect.com/about/trilogy/

It's completely unacceptable to not include all of the DLC for the first two games at the very least.

That is ridiculous. So much for me buying this shit.

I don't understand how a boxed set is a cash grab still, but even that being said, unless you're Twigg and on your weirdo righteous campaign against game companies. Who cares? Bioware is releasing a boxed set. That might be to make some more money, but I think there is a difference between that and a "cash grab" that people should actually be mad about.

Wait, what? I'm not sure how thinking that arcade games being $5 and $10 too much is some "righteous campaign against game companies"? The bottom line is that ever since Bioware partnered with EA they seem to have been going downhill. Apparently Dragon Age 2 was a mess of epic proportions and rushed to retail, aka total cash grab. ME3's ending was an apparent debacle. Now they are selling this alleged all inclusive trilogy but are still making consumers pay for the DLC? Really? Now I know why both of the doctors left the company. They're sick of the bullshit.

I was honestly interested in picking this trilogy up at some point but now that I know I'm still not getting the whole experience they can fuck off.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

That is ridiculous. So much for me buying this shit.


Wait, what? I'm not sure how thinking that arcade games being $5 and $10 too much is some "righteous campaign against game companies"? The bottom line is that ever since Bioware partnered with EA they seem to have been going downhill. Apparently Dragon Age 2 was a mess of epic proportions and rushed to retail, aka total cash grab. ME3's ending was an apparent debacle. Now they are selling this alleged all inclusive trilogy but are still making consumers pay for the DLC? Really? Now I know why both of the doctors left the company. They're sick of the bullshit.

I was honestly interested in picking this trilogy up at some point but now that I know I'm still not getting the whole experience they can fuck off.

It's only two DLC missions for the first game, not at all something to be worried about, and they aren't memorable missions in the slightest- this is 2008 DLC we are talking about here. They could even be in the PS3 package, making a decision much easier.

 

[Handleit_44]

ME1 on PS3:

https://twitter.com/LesPaulDuJour

some things (including, but not limited to: texture popping, overall performance) are improved on the PS3

well, "new coat of paint" isn't quite fair. But "remake" implies way more. It's... a port. ME1 engine with ME2 PS3 touch-ups

"We're trying to retain the classic experience, but make some targeted fixes"

"it doesn't have ME3-style combat. It plays like the classic ME1"

Will ME1 on 360 get the performance upgrades or is that going to be exclusive to PS3?

nope, the improvements are specific to the PS3 hardware.

 

[Twigg4075]

It's only two DLC missions for the first game, not at all something to be worried about, and they aren't memorable missions in the slightest- this is 2008 DLC we are talking about here. They could even be in the PS3 package, making a decision much easier.

What about the last DLC for ME2 that wasn't included on the original PS3 release? Or the pretty significant "DLC" that only people who bought the CE of ME3 got or paid the extra $10?