[ALL] New Consoles Coming.....

[jms493]

Wont happen

 

[SethMode]

It's going to happen someday, I just hope it's sooner rather than later. Discs are stupid.

 

[Golden Taters]

I could see not relying on a disc drive for games, but no way in hell the Xbox 720 (or whatever it is) won't have a Blu-ray player or dvd drive of some sort. Xbox is pushing the thought of using your Xbox for everything; TV, movies, games, etc.

I just don't see the new console having no support for DVDs or Blu-ray.

 

[Villain]

If every movie you watch is streaming from the internet, who needs a disc?

 

[Golden Taters]

Thought this was interesting (and incredible).

Nobody knows for sure what the true potential of next generation consoles will end up looking like, but Crytek has given everyone an amazing glimpse of what kind of graphics quality we may be seeing when the Sony PS4 and next Xbox finally release.

The company are obviously famed for their Crysis and Far Cry titles, with their latest effort Crysis 2 arguably one of the best looking games on consoles at the moment. Now though, the company has given the public an exact idea of what they have been working on following on from Crysis 2, as they appeared at the recent GDC 2012 event in San Francisco to give everyone a glimpse of their next-generation CryEngine 3, which will power the company’s upcoming releases over the next few years.

To say their tech demo is impressive is probably not doing Crytek justice. There was one particular moment in the clip shown of their next generation character models, which featured a male face amusingly bearing a resemblance to Microsoft’s Steve Ballmer. That aside, the amount of realism shown in the face was nothing short of mindblowing, as was the new tessellation effects that the CryEngine 3 will bring to the table as well.

Skyrim fans will enjoy this video for sure as well, as there’s another segment from the clip which suggests that Crytek could do a fantastic job on an open-world Bethesda style game as well. CryEngine 3 has been developed for games on existing hardware, but there’s no doubt that some of the visuals seen in the video could find their way onto next generation hardware from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo as well.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/03/12/stunning-ps4-xbox-720-graphics-potential-with-cryengine-3/

Possible capabilities with PS4 and Xbox 720

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TtgW20IEm0"]CryEngine 3 Visual Specs - Preview Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SethMode]

If every movie you watch is streaming from the internet, who needs a disc?

Exactly. This is also the reason I just sold 150 some DVDs.

 

[jms493]

Exactly. This is also the reason I just sold 150 some DVDs.

who did you sell them to and how are they going to watch them?:leake:

I want them to go away as well...but not next gen..unless next gen is 4-5 years from now

 

[SethMode]

who did you sell them to and how are they going to watch them?:leake:

I want them to go away as well...but not next gen..unless next gen is 4-5 years from now

Amazon, for giftcards. I certainly didn't make a profit in the long run but it was worth it as an easy way to get rid of most of them.

And even if the next gen system didn't have them, I'm not calling for DVD players or Blu-Ray players to go away forever, I'm just ready for the next step. DVDs have especially served their purpose. Blu-Rays are a little different, but still, if they disappeared tomorrow I'd be fine with it, and I'm confident that I will never buy another Blu-Ray again (and I only own 6 of them).

 

[spiker]

that is awesome.

fuck retailers, fuck discs, get with the fucking times you money hungry assholes.

You may hate discs but actually physically owning a disc has been an important piece of the video gaming business up until now. You think that having no physical medium and no middle man will reduce the price of games? They're going to gouge you for the same amount, if not more, while saving on those costs. Mark my words, you will not realize their savings. Look at the shitty money grubbing tactics employed by gaming companies already - release day DLC, one time use codes to play online, micro-transactions, etc. They are keeping that money because it makes no difference to the consumer. I promise you.

Unless they figure out a way to facilitate used game sales electronically, you can also say good bye to the used game market. Sony and Micro$oft hate the used game market because they don't make money on used game sales. If they do figure out a way to do used electronic game sales, they will have a system that allows them to get their cut somehow. Whatever they figure out, the "free market" of used games as we know it will cease to exist.

There's also no way for the new systems to be backward compatible if there's no disc drives. Say your 360 or PS3 burns out and you don't want to re-buy an outdated piece of hardware. Any "retro" titles that you might already own will have to be repurchased in a digital medium, if they're even available for download. I hate the idea that gaming companies don't want us to be able to play our old games on the new systems. That is not a service to the consumer.

Basically, they'll now have total control of the new game market, the used game market, and also your game collection. I don't want to relinquish that control. This is bad for the consumer.

 

[SethMode]

Eh, it works fine for Steam. :ionno: Their prices are cheaper than any gaming prices anywhere.

I'm also not sure how not having discs gives them total control of the new game market? They already have total control of the new game market. Why do you think games have gone up in price over the years? The price will increase regardless of the medium.

Also, it's hard to care about backwards compatibility anymore BECAUSE of digital downloads. If 10 years from now I REALLY want to play Arkham Asylum and I don't have a 360, I'll probably just snatch up a digital copy of it somewhere for 5 bucks. Like I did with, say, Chrono Trigger or Vagrant Story on my PS3, which I spent a total of 10 bucks on for both (and still haven't beaten either as the desire to play them was fleeting, like most times I go back to something I've already beaten).

Finally, as a not entirely related but similar concept: streaming movies has driven down the costs of DVDs and even Blu-Ray...do you really think when discs go "bye-bye" Amazon is just going to all of the sudden go from 3.99 for new movies to like 15.99? On top of that, look at the sheer volume of relatively new shit that is free just for paying a subscription service. Not making discs really only effects a persons ability to resell it or buy it used, which I so rarely do anyway, I personally could not care less.

 

[spiker]

Except for a few select titles that I buy new, I buy almost all of my games used. And the titles that I do buy new, I will usually sell back when I beat them or get tired of them for about half price or more. I like to get the most value out of my games for the least amount of money and I'm not the only one who does this.

They are taking away your options in favor of them having more control over how you buy and own your games. They are trying to shift the mentality of gaming from "ownership" to "rented experience" and packaging it as if that is good for you. And they wonder why piracy is such a big issue these days. That's great that you don't mind paying new price for your games or you don't mind paying a second time to digitally download a game that you once owned a previous system. I do mind these things. If none of these things bother you, then more power to you, I guess.

 

[Maynard]

the only reason i see them having a drive is for backwards compatability.

there is no other reason for a disc drive.

 

[jms493]

the only reason i see them having a drive is for backwards compatability.

there is no other reason for a disc drive.

According to gaming websites, reports have shown that only half of the xboxs sold are connected to the internet. If they move to digital downloads only then you are cutting off half the market.

They might move to SD cards or some shit like that but MS is not ready to cut out the retailers yet and they know cable internet is not as prevalent as we think it should be.

 

[killgod]

The Steam console won't allow it, because I'm confident they bring the same pricing structure to that console. Valve does not come off as a company who intends on acquiring every penny they can squeeze out of the consumer.

MS/Sony won't be able to compete with Valve should they translate the Steam platform to the console market as it currently stands on the PC. They will have to match their pricing.


The door could reopen for a rental experience that has been lost because placed like Blockbuster were run out of business. If I can pay like 10 bucks to download say...a game like Assassin's Creed for a time period (to bury gamefly), (AC3 I would never buy new because I'd just want to beat the game once and shelve it), there could be a means to revive the rental market.

I can also forsee packaged content. So say EA says, give us $200 bucks and you can have 5 sports titles for the year.


Maybe they'll make a USB dvd drive for backwards compatibility? Who knows. Too little has been said to really worry this much right now.


There's just as many positive possibilities as there are negative, at the end of the day it's up to you to do what you want to do with your money. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything.

 

[jms493]

TO be honest I think the whole video game model is going to change. Valve has said they made 12x more revenue when the made Team Fortress free to play.

The old model is you sell the game and that is the last chance you have to make any money on that game...done. Now we have moved to DLC....you still have to purchase the game though. I think games will move to more of a service model. Sort of like League of Legends, Team fortress, the WoW model. Free to play but if you want to keep playing or experience more of this game you will need to pay. The game will continue to evolve and will continue to be developed as long as the cash keeps coming in. Free to play is coming, there is no barrier to entry and you open it up to millions of users to at least try it out.

 

[SethMode]

I don't collect old games, so that's why I don't care about rebuying something digitally. I don't need 100's of games piled up all over my house in the off chance I might want to pop one in someday. The funny thing is, the switch to digital will eventually remove anyone even having to rebuy stuff, because there won't be a need to ever replace a physical copy.

Basically, if you like to buy and sell, that's fine. I do too. But if I lost it for the convenience of digital, I'd be happier. It's not like I ever make money off of re-selling games anyway. If anything, best case scenario I blow through it quickly and lose anywhere from 20-25$.

 

[killgod]

TO be honest I think the whole video game model is going to change. Valve has said they made 12x more revenue when the made Team Fortress free to play.

The old model is you sell the game and that is the last chance you have to make any money on that game...done. Now we have moved to DLC....you still have to purchase the game though. I think games will move to more of a service model. Sort of like League of Legends, Team fortress, the WoW model. Free to play but if you want to keep playing or experience more of this game you will need to pay. The game will continue to evolve and will continue to be developed as long as the cash keeps coming in. Free to play is coming, there is no barrier to entry and you open it up to millions of users to at least try it out.

The F2P model is genious. Persistent online games are digital crack. Get people addicted and then nickel and dime.

Everyone wants the edge or advantage, so they will pay like crazy.

Next console generation will be very different, I agree. I don't think it will be as bad as some believe though.

 

[jms493]

If you want to read about how Valve took a chance on a new business model for gaming it is paid off big time. Other developers will follow.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/164922/GDC_2012_How_Valve_made_Team_Fortress_2_freetoplay.php

 

[jms493]

I even forgot about all those free facebooks games where people drop $100's on nonsense.

I think the hardware guys need to look at this when building a new console if they even do.

 

[spiker]

I like this story about nickel and diming your customers on a F2P game

User spends $ 100,000 in Mafia Wars

Buying goods and services in virtual games like Mafia Wars or FrontierVille can be an addiction. A "former employee of Zynga," says that some people spend thousands of dollars in these games.

Anonymous publications in Reddit, allegedly by a former employee of Zynga, explain that there was a user to spend $ 100,000 just in Mafia Wars. The author of these articles says Zynga, publisher of casual games, treats those who spend a lot of money for Zynga Black, while those who just play without investing a cent are spam.

The former employee said she has seen a user to spend $ 20,000 in FrontierVille, reports Mashable.

That game was so bad too.