NFL Combine

[Houston]

My little brother's middle school track meets are more entertaining.

 

[Mogriffjr]

I'd still take Sanu, such a beast still...

Blackmon came in a bit smaller then many thought...6' feet, around 200lbs...

Floyd is a manchild, and Stephen Hill's stock is at an all-time high right now.

 

[Bear Pand]

Got to go to combine today and watch 40s passing/receiving drills for the first group of WRs/QBs and 40s for the second group. Was pretty cool.

RGIII was fast as fuck. Ran a 4.38 on his second attempt and everyone was surprised cause it looked like he had slipped a little. Looked twice as fast as all the other QBs.

Nick Foles runs like a bitch. Jacory Harris looked like he was trying to sabotage WRs during passing drills. That's the extent of my scouting.

 

[Raidersabc123]

RG III with a 4.38..


:fap:

Al Davis would be proud

 

[ram29jackson]

the underwear olympics are all just part of a whole..plenty of guys who ran perceived lousy 40s, still thrived in the NFL..there is something to be said about the interviews and multiple choice tests they give them to see if ou have someone a litle better then a jock brain or composed in a pocket guy ...and if a guy does lousy in one part or another,it gives him something to work on in his training

 

[NAHSTE]

Posey just went 4.37, Aj Jenkins went the same.

Reuben Randle 4.50

:smh: @ SEC Speed.

You thought Rueben was a burner?

:-|

 

[KNUBB]

Posey just went 4.37, Aj Jenkins went the same.

Reuben Randle 4.50

:smh: @ SEC Speed.

Now you know the term SEC speed usually refers to the speed and athleticism of the D line. RR was never a burner, but he is faster on the football field.

 

[Rayman]

Bench press is just as dumb as the 40 yard dash too. Its an endurance exercise for these guys and doesn't really show how much power they can generate. The fact that one guy running a 4.38 and another running a 4.48 could be the difference between being a top pick or not is ridiculous.

I'd say their agility and ability to burst through the hole or off a cut on a route is way more important than how fast they can run in a straight line.

I think the bench is a better measure of work ethic. If a guy shows via his bench press that he's willing to take the time to get stronger, to get better in the weight room, it can only be a positive.

 

[NAHSTE]

I think the bench is a better measure of work ethic. If a guy shows via his bench press that he's willing to take the time to get stronger, to get better in the weight room, it can only be a positive.

Meh, I'd prefer a guy with core strength. They should do power lifts.

 

[Rudi]

 

[ram29jackson]

I think the bench is a better measure of work ethic. If a guy shows via his bench press that he's willing to take the time to get stronger, to get better in the weight room, it can only be a positive.

a bench press means even less,its pointless

 

[DSpydr84]

What kills me is that coming out of a track stance (something that's never done in a game) is probably the most critical part of a 40 yard dash. You can lose a lot of "time" (like .2-.4 seconds which is enormous in a 40) from not having a proper start. That initial burst and reaching top speed before you hit 40 yards is everything.

These guys get coached up on how to come out of a track stance. It's so stupid. Ever wonder how guys can have a shitty 40 but still have great "game speed"? It's because they're not sprinters and couldn't come out of their stance as fast as the guys who ran track :yao:

 

[Senser81]

When the WR's are catching passes, why aren't they wearing helmet/pads? They should at least try to simulate actual playing conditions. I need to see how many passes bounce off Devin Hester's facemask.

In the few years when I would actually follow the combine, it was funny to me how white guys who were fast and/or lifted a ton of weight would derogatorily be called "workout warriors", as in "yeah, he bench pressed 650 lbs, but he's just a workout warrior and won't produce on the field". Justin Smith was one of those guys called a workout warrior, yet years later he is still one of the best run/pass DEs in the NFL. The point isn't that the NFL is racist...the point is that the combine is merely a tool to reinforce existing beliefs...so why bother with it?

 

[ZoneBlitz]

What kills me is that coming out of a track stance (something that's never done in a game) is probably the most critical part of a 40 yard dash. You can lose a lot of "time" (like .2-.4 seconds which is enormous in a 40) from not having a proper start. That initial burst and reaching top speed before you hit 40 yards is everything.

These guys get coached up on how to come out of a track stance. It's so stupid. Ever wonder how guys can have a shitty 40 but still have great "game speed"? It's because they're not sprinters and couldn't come out of their stance as fast as the guys who ran track :yao:

But i believe most players prepare for the combine the same way, or at least they should. So all players should be trained on how to run the 40 most effectively, and end results give a decent measure on how fast players are relative to each other.

 

[Senser81]

But i believe most players prepare for the combine the same way, or at least they should. So all players should be trained on how to run the 40 most effectively, and end results give a decent measure on how fast players are relative to each other.

Thats nice, but it doesn't really address the issue that "track starts" aren't part of the NFL. What if the NFL combine had a spelling bee, and someone said "well, the Ivy League guys have an unfair advantage in the spelling bee". Would the appropriate response be "everyone has the same time to prepare for the spelling bee"?

I think not.

 

[Atlas]

Bruce Irvin is eerily similar to the numbers put up by Von Miller at last years combine (bruce was faster, but Von had a better vert)...

 

[EmpireWF]

Irvin also maintained his speed despite having about 15-20 extra pounds on his frame.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Thats nice, but it doesn't really address the issue that "track starts" aren't part of the NFL. What if the NFL combine had a spelling bee, and someone said "well, the Ivy League guys have an unfair advantage in the spelling bee". Would the appropriate response be "everyone has the same time to prepare for the spelling bee"?

I think not.

No one is saying 40 times are a flawless or exact measure of a players speed.

But it gives you a decent idea of how fast a player is. It serves its purpose.

 

[DSpydr84]

No one is saying 40 times are a flawless or exact measure of a players speed.

But it gives you a decent idea of how fast a player is. It serves its purpose.

What's frustrating though is that a kid can do everything right and be a great player, hit the combine and run a 4.6, and suddenly his stock plummets. Sometimes they still end up getting a chance, but sometimes they don't. The 40 time shouldn't be so heavily weighted in decisions because it has nothing to do with the game.

 

[ralaw]

I've heard that NFL people use the 40, vertical jump, etc as a way to measure athletic explosiveness. It still doesn't help in knowing whether a player can play football though.