NFL Combine

[Warner2BruceTD]

Bruce Irvin is eerily similar to the numbers put up by Von Miller at last years combine (bruce was faster, but Von had a better vert)...

Please tell me this person is a WR, because I need to watch any game he's involved in with Dick Stockton on the play by play.

 

[Leftwich]

Please tell me this person is a WR, because I need to watch any game he's involved in with Dick Stockton on the play by play.

DE/OLB

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I've heard that NFL people use the 40, vertical jump, etc as a way to measure athletic explosiveness. It still doesn't help in knowing whether a player can play football though.

That is what the countless hours of tape are for...but the combine isn't there to determine whether or not these players can play...they are just data acquiring events.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

What's frustrating though is that a kid can do everything right and be a great player, hit the combine and run a 4.6, and suddenly his stock plummets. Sometimes they still end up getting a chance, but sometimes they don't. The 40 time shouldn't be so heavily weighted in decisions because it has nothing to do with the game.

That doesn't really happen...the idea of a player having a "stock" is just buzz media words...players don't fluctuate like that leading up to the draft.

 

[Mogriffjr]

Luke Kuechly having a great day...Burfict meanwhile looking slow as shit.

 

[SHOGUN]

I'd be shocked if Vontaze Burfict is even drafted at this point. He's been awful.

 

[Senser81]

No one is saying 40 times are a flawless or exact measure of a players speed.

But it gives you a decent idea of how fast a player is. It serves its purpose.

I don't remember claiming that others/you said "40 times are flawless and an exact measure of a players' speed". The issue was how the 40 favors players with a track background. Stop being such a terrible poster.

What if for QB prospects the combine used a javelin throw to measure arm strength. Then a few QBs who threw javelin in track did much better than their competitors. If someone said, "well, I think those javelin throwers had an advantage in this measurement", would the appropriate response be "No one is saying the javelin throw is flawless or an exact measure of a players' arm strength...but it gives you a decent idea of how much arm strength a player has. It serves its purpose."

I think not. Why? Because that response would be absolutely retarded.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

I don't remember claiming that others/you said "40 times are flawless and an exact measure of a players' speed". The issue was how the 40 favors players with a track background. Stop being such a terrible poster.

Stop being such a huge faggot.

The 40 favors players with a track background? So what, i never disagreed with that. I added that the 40 still gives you a decent idea of how fast a player is, and decent way to compare the players speed.

STFU and find something better to do than trying to stir shit up on messageboards.

 

[Rayman]

Irvin also maintained his speed despite having about 15-20 extra pounds on his frame.

Interesting...

 

[mgoblue2290]

I think the bench is a better measure of work ethic. If a guy shows via his bench press that he's willing to take the time to get stronger, to get better in the weight room, it can only be a positive.

Except they aren't getting stronger. They are training to get as many reps at 225 as they can, for some of these guys 225 is a warm up.

 

[Senser81]

The 40 favors players with a track background? So what, i never disagreed with that. I added that the 40 still gives you a decent idea of how fast a player is, and decent way to compare the players speed.

Holy cow! Where do you come up with this stuff? Is this your ESPN Insider information at work again?

What's next? Does Mel Kiper say that the bench press gives you a decent idea of a player's upper body strength?

Stop being a fucking bozo.

STFU and find something better to do than trying to stir shit up on messageboards.

Question: does it reallly count as "stirring shit up" when everyone is agreeing with me and no one is agreeing with you? I would guess that instead of classifying this exchange as me stirring shit up, they would say that its just you being a chump.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Holy cow! Where do you come up with this stuff? Is this your ESPN Insider information at work again?

What's next? Does Mel Kiper say that the bench press gives you a decent idea of a player's upper body strength?

Stop being a fucking bozo.

Question: does it reallly count as "stirring shit up" when everyone is agreeing with me and no one is agreeing with you? I would guess that instead of classifying this exchange as me stirring shit up, they would say that its just you being a chump.

Where in the fucking shit do you get the idea everyone is agreeing with you and disagreeing with me?

I suggest you read everyone's posts again, especially Larry's posts that i thanked.

Time to douche out that smelly vagina you bleeding cunt.

 

[Senser81]

Where in the fucking shit do you get the idea everyone is agreeing with you and disagreeing with me?

http://www.virtualsportsdaily.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1989806&postcount=47

Eat shit....DIE!

 

[ZoneBlitz]

http://www.virtualsportsdaily.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1989806&postcount=47

Eat shit....DIE!

1) How is that "everyone" agreeing with you and disagreeing with me?

2) What are you even disagreeing with me about?

 

[Villain]

I knew it'd been too long since the last ZB meltdown. opcorn:

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Im not melting down. I was making a minor observation, which i dont even think senser disagrees with, and he unleashes an all-out attack on me. I think he's just trying to brandish his brand new mod powers.

 

[citizenerased]

Im not melting down. I was making a minor observation, which i dont even think senser disagrees with, and he unleashes an all-out attack on me. I think he's just trying to brandish his brand new mod powers.

Time to douche out that smelly vagina you bleeding cunt.

 

[ram29jackson]

the 40 tells you about break away speed ..which is useless the first 15 yards of alot of plays most of the time..and alot of guys run faster when chased out of momentary fear anyway

 

[Senser81]

Im not melting down. I was making a minor observation, which i dont even think senser disagrees with, and he unleashes an all-out attack on me. I think he's just trying to brandish his brand new mod powers.

Mod powers aren't required for making you look like an ass.

I reread the posts. Larry's posts, which you thanked, are irrelevant to our discussion. Your posts are still terrible the second time around. I don't know how I can be more clear. The issue is you have a measurement that only tangentially measures what its supposed to, and even at that its unfair because a certain subgroup has an unfair advantage. Your response? "The 40 measures speed."

GOT IT!!!!

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Mod powers aren't required for making you look like an ass.

I reread the posts. Larry's posts, which you thanked, are irrelevant to our discussion. Your posts are still terrible the second time around. I don't know how I can be more clear. The issue is you have a measurement that only tangentially measures what its supposed to, and even at that its unfair because a certain subgroup has an unfair advantage. Your response? "The 40 measures speed."

GOT IT!!!!

Senser: 40 times are completely useless.

Zoneblitz: 40 times are not completely useless, they have some use.

Thanks for stopping by, friend.